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15 Jun 2018, 3:11 pm

I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome about 2000, and the label seems to fit my experiences. I have self identified as an Aspie for years. (I also refer to NTs as normies, being that they exhibit normative behavior.) Now Kate Tuttle of the LA Times says that Asperger is being characterized as "simply a Nazi, working with other Nazis, in a system that killed children". (Tuttle, 2018) Herwig Czech at the Medical University of Vienna says "Future use of the eponym should reflect the troubling context of its origins in Nazi-era Vienna." Wait! What? I shouldn't call myself an Aspie because Asperger was a Nazi? If I'm not an Aspie, what am I? Who am I? Why am I here? Because, personally, when I find that something that I believed to be true isn't really true, I find myself questioning a lot of other things that I believe to be true too. My categories are faulty. I hate that! I must reorganize them. But in the meantime I feel lost.

When I could put a name to my experiences, I felt relief. I felt like I wasn't quite so alone. I could say "I'm not crazy, I'm an Aspie!" Now people are saying my namesake was a Nazi and I need to be called something else. Shall I start calling myself "the fun diminutive name for the syndrome that was formerly known as Asperger's"? What would that even be?

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Czech, H. (2018, April 19). Hans Asperger, National Socialism, and “race hygiene” in Nazi-era Vienna. Link not allowed in post.

Tuttle, K. (2018, June 15). Hans Asperger's Complex Nazi History. Link not allowed in post.



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15 Jun 2018, 3:15 pm

I thought I was an Aspie

and then

And then

and then..,.

I got diagnosed

I am not an Aspie ——-

I am a person with Autism Level 1.

As shirts I had printed reads. .

Autism does not define you!

“If we can’t laugh at ourselves - someone will beat us to it.”


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15 Jun 2018, 5:18 pm

robt105 wrote:
Shall I start calling myself "the fun diminutive name for the syndrome that was formerly known as Asperger's"? What would that even be?


Autism Psychopathy.

I prefer Aspergers rather than basically labeling myself a psychopath.



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15 Jun 2018, 5:57 pm

I call myself by my first name.

The formerly known as bit is quite catchy.


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15 Jun 2018, 6:25 pm

There's quite a few discussions on this both here (see the threads below this one. Others you can find from Google) and there have been a lot of media articles about researchers' views, and commentary from the researchers, bloggers, other writers, and Autism advocacy groups. If you have time, there are plenty of sources to read on the topic from different viewpoints, including the issue of replacing the surname in Asperger's Syndrome or creating a new name altogether.

There is still a lot of shock over this so once that settles, more nuanced discussions will no doubt emerge in time.



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15 Jun 2018, 6:48 pm

Welcome to Wrong Planet

These are Wrong Planet threads about this topic.

Hans Asperger Aided And Supported Nazi Programme, Study Says

Hans Asperger, Nazi Collaborator

Hans Asperger Was Worse Than We Thought

There is a book out by another historian going into more detail about this subject. Here is the thread about that and the Czech paper

"Asperger's Children: The Origins Of Autism In Nazi Vienna"


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16 Jun 2018, 5:18 am

you do you. some vague connection to anything in anyone else'e head is of no importance. if they make an issue out of it, that's their problem and it makes them a bunch of whiners.



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18 Jun 2018, 5:06 pm

Thanks everyone! I did find the other threads. I think I found what I needed.



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20 Jun 2018, 3:22 am

I thought this was common knowledge? Hans Asperger created the concepts of "high functioning" and "low functioning" within the context of a Nazi extermination program. Autistic people were judged based on their usefulness as a member of Nazi society, and would either live or die based on that judgment.

So like.... whether a psychologist realizes it or not, telling a patient that they have Asperger Syndrome is basically telling them they would make a good Nazi. 8O which is really f****d up if you think about it!!



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20 Jun 2018, 3:40 am

What you are is a person with a neurology that is not typical, but regardless you should....though it is up to you really...probably NOT base your identity upon it. I named MY brain...I think of it as a pet....but sometimes a sports car.



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20 Jun 2018, 7:52 am

Barchan wrote:
I thought this was common knowledge? Hans Asperger created the concepts of "high functioning" and "low functioning" within the context of a Nazi extermination program. Autistic people were judged based on their usefulness as a member of Nazi society, and would either live or die based on that judgment.

So like.... whether a psychologist realizes it or not, telling a patient that they have Asperger Syndrome is basically telling them they would make a good Nazi. 8O which is really f****d up if you think about it!!

A a psychologist is telling you, you have a set of traits that meet a diagnostic criteria, not that you are into genocide and National Socialism.
If someone is a Nazi that is on them not the Aspergers label. For most of the time, the Aspergers label has been around Hans Asperger's Nazi complicity was not known.

Even if one is a "shiny" or elitist Aspie that usually means one is stuck up or does not want to associate with the "low functioning" that makes one an ableist, it does not necessarily make one a Nazi.

The Nazi insult is way way overused. It blurs the actual bad the person accused of being a Nazi is doing, and how uniquely evil the Nazis were.


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22 Jun 2018, 10:26 pm

Barchan wrote:
So like.... whether a psychologist realizes it or not, telling a patient that they have Asperger Syndrome is basically telling them they would make a good Nazi. 8O which is really f****d up if you think about it!!


If I have this right, Asperger was diagnosing people with Aspergers then sending them to be killed. So, all it means is we'd be victims of Nazis.



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04 Jul 2018, 4:36 am

Oppenheimer was a nazi. he ended up getting humans to the moon. this is a pointless discussion without end. if somebody gets hurt because of something stupid as a name, they can go be pissy little b*****s somewhere else. personally, i dont have the time or energy to deal with that nonsense. it just makes me angry, because of how shortsighted it is. even by proxy. ugh...