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04 Sep 2024, 2:30 pm

The so called "superpower" tends to work along side a special interest in many autistic people.

Its a cliche but the autistic person that can tell you all about camera cases in great detail but not much about photography.

An unsuspecting NT from a brief encounter will regard such a thing as amazing in the sense its unusual and the autistic person must have a great memory or great brain, however in their ignorance they may not be aware its a restrictive interest and the autistic person doesn't have a particularly great memory but his memory is simply reserved for types of camera cases nothing more.

Something which most people would find dull and useless unless its was linked to earning a good income in some way.

This is why restrictive interest is classed as a negative in the diagnostic criteria, me myself ill get obsessed about something and will ignore other things that i know are important.

Seeing the small but missing the bigger picture, catching the cent but missing the $ to use a metaphor.

The word "superpower" though has been seized on by NTs especially Hollywood as something that can be sold to an audience, so its kind of taken a life of its own though popular fiction like The Good Doctor or The Accountant, none of these are real things.


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04 Sep 2024, 4:12 pm

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Elon Musk: Hold my beer


His superpower is being able to make wearing a leather jacket and telling people to go f**k themselves look uncool. :skull:


Not to mention he's a bit of a stud, 10 kids...



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04 Sep 2024, 4:13 pm

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Elon Musk: Hold my beer


His superpower is being able to make wearing a leather jacket and telling people to go f**k themselves look uncool. :skull:


Not to mention he's a bit of a stud, 10 kids...


How many of them is he a deadbeat to? :nerdy:


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04 Sep 2024, 4:15 pm

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How many of them is he a deadbeat to? :nerdy:


I'm wondering if he's practicing in front of the mirror - "all rise for President Musk"



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05 Sep 2024, 7:50 am

Makes me think we have a similar situation with the anti vax group.

People naturally look at the autism first and see a clear cause and effect working autism first backwards.

Rather we get a more accurate picture just looking forward at statistical probability.

1. There’s a natural diversity of skills and talent in the human population in things like maths and memory etc..

2. Statistically some of those will be autistic

3. Autism gives the person intense focus on this talent and restrictive interests

4. Autism historically came with low expectations. When a NT is skilled at maths it’s ok they must be clever move on. When an autistic person does the same it’s wow look at them amazing must be their autism

5. There you have your superpower


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05 Sep 2024, 9:59 am

As long as I have been on this site there has been some Autism Supremacy. That said from what I have seen most the of Autism is a superpower talk comes from “snowplow parents”. Snowplow or Lawnmower parents refers to a parenting style that attempts to remove all obstacles their children might face in this case stigma. Parental talk about autism being a superpower did not exist when I joined this site 11 years ago. Back then it was “warrior moms” a pejorative that refers to mothers that describe their autistic children as burdens, post their kids meltdowns, that type of thing. That type of parent is far from gone. My signature is about my frustration with the conflicting narratives of superpower and burden.


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24 Sep 2024, 5:58 pm

No, autism isn’t a f*****g superpower – that’s a cop-out for employers

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Kevin Chesters, once a leading strategist at Wieden+Kennedy, Dentsu, Ogilvy and more, behind famous campaigns such as Carlsberg ‘Old Lions’, Three ‘Pony’ and Honda ‘Hands,’ is angry about autism in adland.

“I try not to be, but I almost feel quite insulted when people refer to it as a superpower… it’s an incredibly distracting and debilitating condition for a lot of people.”

It’s a condition he’s become intimately aware of in the last decade. Two of his children have autism, one with an additional ADD, and he has a niece with “very severe OCD... it’s a lot worse than having to color code albums [as some people say].”

He worries about their place in the future workplace if employers don’t up their ideas.

Chesters didn’t know he had autism until his oldest child went through the diagnosis. Treating the process like a brief (he does that with “everything” in life], he was very involved and walked through the steps himself, like any good planner.

“I was getting increasingly frustrated through the process and going, ‘This is BS; these 12 traits of autism are just the traits of all people.’ I then did all these online tests from America. ‘Absolute horses**t,’ I was thinking. ‘I’m scoring 95% [autism probability] and I’m not autistic.’”

A gentle intervention from his wife went roughly as follows: “Have you ever considered the possibility? People think you’re a bit odd. I mean, nice odd, but not necessarily, like, you know, normal people.”

It was staring him in the face the whole time. “It’s bloody obvious that my mother had it and it’s fairly obvious my father had it.”

There’s a lot of it in the family, they now know.

Chesters’s son has just gone through the interview process for getting placements for his third year at university, with interviews being typically higher hurdles for some people with autism. While most companies claim they now welcome neurodiverse candidates, a lot of them are “lip service” and autistic people “are being filtered out and prevented from even joining the workforce,” Chesters (pictured below) says.

The most recent data from the UK government backs this view. Autistica estimates that around one in 70 people is autistic, adding up to about 1 million people in the UK. But only three in 10 working-age autistic disabled people are in employment (that’s diagnosed). Autistic graduates are twice as likely to be unemployed after 15 months as non-disabled graduates. Only 36% find full time work in this period.

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Agencies and their clients have been guilty of perpetuating the well-meaning myth that autism is a superpower. It’s understandable, given the lack of understanding of the disorder and the tropes that exist around it.

Much like how discourse has moved on around the Paralympics in the last decade (Channel 4’s evolution from the iconic ‘Superhumans’ campaign is a fine example), the same is needed for autism and the wider range of neurodiversity. It's time for a 2024 discussion.

To that end, the superhero line is giving employers a “cop-out,” putting emphasis on the individual to be super rather than driving a collective solution. The 2023 All In census from the Advertising Association, IPA and Isba found many disparities in the ad industry, but we’ll focus on disabled staff for now. 11% of all 19,000 respondents and 8% of C-suite respondents (UK) had a disability registered by the Equality Act 2010. Chesters says that a wheelchair user would expect accessibility to the office and other accommodations. [Now, whether they get it is a whole other debate we’ll address at a later date.]

Those with less visible disabilities, including autism, ADD, ADHD and OCD, should also be accommodated. It’s a legal obligation. The Equality Act says there’s a duty to “make reasonable adjustments” if a member of staff is placed at a “substantial disadvantage” when compared with peers.

Chesters says: “Schools are getting much better at accommodating and creating conditions within which neurodiverse and neurotypical individuals can thrive, but the workplace is s**t at it.”

Emphasizing the strain of sensory overload on Chesters and some of his family, the lockdown had a silver lining. “It was a dream; I could focus on what I wanted to do. I could edit out the extraneous. I could focus on the task and be much more efficient. You could have 15-minute meetings with pre-notes ahead of time.”

Now, as a publisher, author, speaker, visibility animator and self-described “loud person,” Chesters explains that’s only part of the story.

“It can be frequently exhausting. People often say, ‘Oh, you’re an extrovert,’ but I’m not. I’m an incredibly shy introvert. But I realized the workplace didn’t really want that. After a day presenting, I want to skip dinner and lie in my hotel room in the evening, skipping the meet and greet.”

Reflecting on what his mother may think about this interview, he says it would be along the lines of, “Don’t be telling people about your autism; they might not give you a job if they knew.”

It’s a belief many likely still have. Of those who make it into the workplace, government data finds that only around 35% of autistic employees are fully open about being autistic. One in 10 keep it to themselves.

So, back to the office culture.

It’d be a huge mistake to force everyone back to the office five-days a week, Chesters believes. Especially planners who do most of their best work out and about or in peaceful quiet. But if offices are intent on pulling staff back in, they need a rethink.

“You ask a kid what a farmer does; they’ll say, ‘Farmers grow crops.’ BS. They’re not f*****g magicians. What a farmer does is create the conditions within which things can thrive and that is the job of a f*****g management team or an office. Sorry, I’m turning into Mark Ritson.”

A great deal of younger staff, in particular, have the choice between working at the end of a bed in a shared apartment or in an open-plan office that’s made no or little concessions to them. That has to change. “I think for managers, it’s basic f*****g humanity. Get to know the people who work for you and get to know what works for them.”

What could have been?
The Drum asks Chesters if an early diagnosis and a better understanding of self may have changed how he approached work in the early days? 25 years of masking can’t have been easy. But during that time, he says, he learned how to deal with it. “I learned how to minimize what didn’t make me a good Kevin and maximize what does make me a good Kevin.”

He believes his autism helped make him a good strategist and agrees that he can’t be the only person in the trade with it. “People probably say strategists are quite quiet, a bit introverted, get very detailed, quite smart, a bit weird. It is the way autistic people are often described too.”

He’s found one particular trait very useful: ‘monotropism.’

“You’ll see this in autistic children. They get very focused on something [his example was four-legged dinosaurs of the gigantic variety], go very deep for 48 hours and then move on.” His obsession as a kid was Star Wars, although that lasted closer to 48 years than 48 hours.

“Monotropism is very useful for planners. If you have a week to prepare a pitch to Mazda, older drivers who tend to buy hatchbacks [for example] become the single most interesting thing you’ve ever come up against.”

That times a thousand is the life of a strategist. Many of these topics are ones neurotypical people would get lost in.

This is also why Chesters doesn’t charge a day rate as a consultant. During his fixation, he reckons he could bash out in a day or two a solution that might take someone else a fortnight. “Why should I be penalized for my own efficiency?”

There’s a slight lull in the conversation when we discuss what he could have done differently in life. It’s a hard question to answer for anyone.

He says: “I am riddled with two things: self-doubt and a responsibility complex. I’ve looked back on a few incidents that went on in my career when I was a boss, dealing with other bosses when I was just an employee, and it has made me sort of reappraise a lot of things.”

Autism, he knows, isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card. As his wife told him: “Autism explains a lot of your behavior, but it does not excuse it.”

“I’ve always considered myself to be a good person; I think if I’ve ever upset anyone, or I’ve ever been sort of overly harsh or overly truthful, or maybe too blunt, I’m mortified. Now I do approach things differently. I can more understand when I feel anxiety rising within me, when I’m about to react badly, and do the adult equivalent of counting to 10 and taking myself off to my own naughty step.”

After some guidance?
Chesters agreed to this interview to reach people who have autism or other neurodiversities. He urges them to own it and master it.

“You are not alone,” he says and suggests finding your people, be it in your workplace or across the industry. And he pushes staff to pursue the accommodations they are legally entitled to. “Even if you work in a company with 30 people, I guarantee there’ll be three people there with autism.”

He’s happy that more people are seeking diagnoses and exploring that part of themselves, but he wishes those people luck getting an appointment with specialists. It requires patience with healthcare in its current state, particularly in mental health.

“We need a lot more diverse brains and voices in our industry. That colleague who people dismiss as weird. That girl who you think is rude. That young lad who the ECD thinks is a bit of a knob because he was blunt about your idea. They may be on the spectrum and undiagnosed. Just stop and ask yourself if maybe they are one of the tens of thousands of people who are undiagnosed adults.”

He concludes: “When I was diagnosed, I asked my psychiatrist what we did next and what she could do for me. She basically said there was nothing she could do for me, but there was an awful lot that I could do for others. She said that I was a useful example of somebody who was neurodiverse who had had a career, written a book, spoken to lots of people, done lots of things and said that I was quite an interesting example of the fact that neurodiversity while not being a superpower certainly didn’t need to be a hindrance in your career.”

This goes well beyond why he hates the term superpower and delves into many relevant topics. One of the better articles I have read.


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24 Sep 2024, 9:09 pm

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The more I think about it the more obvious that these so called “superpowers” are just a myth that both NT’s and autistic people have entertained the idea of for years.

Heightened abilities exist statistically throughout the human population including NT population many jobs require them as a core skill (prev comment)

The only difference is increased focus among autistic people which is a euphemism for “restricted interest” .


Something classed as a negative if it filters out and blocks other useful things.

Something I notice myself doing often with something. While it has its uses it can also be a problem too.

If you think it's a myth, you haven't actually encountered it, because if you had, it's definitely noticeable and tends to be rather inexplicable. Some of them are less noticeable than others, but if it's enough of a talent to warrant being an actual super power, rather than puffery, it's clear that it is.

Heightened skills definitely exist, however that's not what this refers to. These are skills that typically get heightened prior to a use for them being established whereas when NTs have heightened skills, the reason comes before the skill. And, the NT threshold isn't necessarily the same level.

Personally, I really and truly don't understand why people invest so much into making autism the bogeyman rather than the problematic traits. It doesn't do anybody a lick of good as autism is never going to be cured, but some of the traits may be.



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The more I think about it the more obvious that these so called “superpowers” are just a myth that both NT’s and autistic people have entertained the idea of for years.

Heightened abilities exist statistically throughout the human population including NT population many jobs require them as a core skill (prev comment)

The only difference is increased focus among autistic people which is a euphemism for “restricted interest” .


Something classed as a negative if it filters out and blocks other useful things.

Something I notice myself doing often with something. While it has its uses it can also be a problem too.

If you think it's a myth, you haven't actually encountered it, because if you had, it's definitely noticeable and tends to be rather inexplicable. Some of them are less noticeable than others, but if it's enough of a talent to warrant being an actual super power, rather than puffery, it's clear that it is.

Heightened skills definitely exist, however that's not what this refers to. These are skills that typically get heightened prior to a use for them being established whereas when NTs have heightened skills, the reason comes before the skill. And, the NT threshold isn't necessarily the same level.

Personally, I really and truly don't understand why people invest so much into making autism the bogeyman rather than the problematic traits. It doesn't do anybody a lick of good as autism is never going to be cured, but some of the traits may be.


Except no one including yourself has provided any proof that these positive skills are unique to autistic people, which is what this whole discussion is about.

Just to be clear I’m referring to the skill itself not the other things like Heightened obsessive behaviour on a particular subject which is not a superpower or even a positive thing.

I could suddenly be obsessed and have an intense interest with playing the piano. Doesn’t mean I’m any good at it, even if I was would I be better than a NT?

Are autistic people whose special interest is playing the piano for example better musicians than NT piano players if not it’s not a superpower.

Myths and misinformation like these are generally harmful to autistic people on balance


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25 Sep 2024, 1:37 pm

“Superpower” is another way of saying extremely skilled in a certain area. Hyperfocus is a factor in utilizing a skill to its full extent but it has to come from a brain difference. It has been known for a long time that autistics are much more likely to have atypical gender identities and atypical sexual orientations. More likely means by definition that there are LBTGQ+ NT’s. This does not negate the common sense theory that because autistic brains are different in the ways we diagnose autism autistics are more likely than NT’s to be extremely talented in something(s). To not recognize or downplay this is counter productive to the well being of autistic people.

The closest thing we have to measuring so called superpowers is savants. The figure usually used is 10 percent of autistics are savants. To imply that those who are not savants or are not extremely talented in certain areas have somehow after all these years somehow missed their “superpower” is an insulting assumption that will be sometimes be accurate because of stigmatization.

What those of of us who agree with the term superpower and those of us that don’t have in common is the desire to end skills or whatever you want to call them not being utilized due to stigmatization.


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28 Sep 2024, 4:14 pm

carlos55 wrote:
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carlos55 wrote:
The more I think about it the more obvious that these so called “superpowers” are just a myth that both NT’s and autistic people have entertained the idea of for years.

Heightened abilities exist statistically throughout the human population including NT population many jobs require them as a core skill (prev comment)

The only difference is increased focus among autistic people which is a euphemism for “restricted interest” .


Something classed as a negative if it filters out and blocks other useful things.

Something I notice myself doing often with something. While it has its uses it can also be a problem too.

If you think it's a myth, you haven't actually encountered it, because if you had, it's definitely noticeable and tends to be rather inexplicable. Some of them are less noticeable than others, but if it's enough of a talent to warrant being an actual super power, rather than puffery, it's clear that it is.

Heightened skills definitely exist, however that's not what this refers to. These are skills that typically get heightened prior to a use for them being established whereas when NTs have heightened skills, the reason comes before the skill. And, the NT threshold isn't necessarily the same level.

Personally, I really and truly don't understand why people invest so much into making autism the bogeyman rather than the problematic traits. It doesn't do anybody a lick of good as autism is never going to be cured, but some of the traits may be.


Except no one including yourself has provided any proof that these positive skills are unique to autistic people, which is what this whole discussion is about.

Just to be clear I’m referring to the skill itself not the other things like Heightened obsessive behaviour on a particular subject which is not a superpower or even a positive thing.

I could suddenly be obsessed and have an intense interest with playing the piano. Doesn’t mean I’m any good at it, even if I was would I be better than a NT?

Are autistic people whose special interest is playing the piano for example better musicians than NT piano players if not it’s not a superpower.

Myths and misinformation like these are generally harmful to autistic people on balance

This is why I often don't bother responding. It's literally a waste of my time. You're the one that's invested in autism being the thing, rather than the individual traits that are either associated with the diagnosis or are required for a diagnosis.

There's literally no point in arguing any further if you're going to use a non-standard definition in order to avoid having to address any of the known instances where the skills do rise to a level where super power would be appropriate. Because of course, if we hedge all of those instances out, then it's not ever going to be a super power. That's just how that works when you gerrymander around things that are not useful for the point you're wanting to make.



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29 Sep 2024, 3:10 am

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What those of of us who agree with the term superpower and those of us that don’t have in common is the desire to end skills or whatever you want to call them not being utilized due to stigmatization.


I chose to stop using the term 'superpower' when I understood that it made a lot of other autistic people uncomfortable.

The joke word 'tism' makes me uncomfortable. I can't have it both ways.



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08 Oct 2024, 11:18 am

I have absolutely joked that my ability to perform nearly all my office tasks at once is a super power, but it sure doesn't feel like it at 3/4 of the way through the day when I'm too burnt out to function beyond the bare minimum left to finish out the day. And then my boss wants to know if I'm busy, or if he can give me a new project... Oh boy.


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The joke word 'tism' makes me uncomfortable. I can't have it both ways.


Me too. Especially the phrase "a touch of the 'tism." Like "a touch of the flu." I'm not sick, I cannot be "cured," I will not "get better."


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No, autism isn’t a f*****g superpower – that’s a cop-out for employers
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This goes well beyond why he hates the term superpower and delves into many relevant topics. One of the better articles I have read.


I enjoyed this article. Thank you for sharing.


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No, autism isn’t a f*****g superpower – that’s a cop-out for employers
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This goes well beyond why he hates the term superpower and delves into many relevant topics. One of the better articles I have read.


I enjoyed this article. Thank you for sharing.

You are welcome


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