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05 May 2012, 8:16 pm

Judge Rotenberg Educational Center, a special needs school in Massachusetts, is using electric shocks as a means of punishment. Be warned that the embedded video is distressing.

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05 May 2012, 8:50 pm

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05 May 2012, 9:47 pm

Signed. Here's what I wrote in the reason column:

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It sounds like the staff at this place are exhibiting dangerous, violent behaviors that are harmful toward others... Perhaps we ought to shock and torture them in order to "modify" their behavior... Or better yet, perhaps we should acknowledge that ALL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE FEELINGS AND NEED TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT.



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06 May 2012, 12:52 am

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06 May 2012, 1:10 am

Signed. Reason: "With all due respect to whatever ethical impairment or disability these individuals may be facing, torturing children is evidence of a serious disorder. The individuals responsible should be barred from interaction with children and other vulnerable persons, and forcibly (since they are a proven harm to others) placed under psychiatric care."



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06 May 2012, 9:24 am

edgewaters wrote:
Signed. Reason: "With all due respect to whatever ethical impairment or disability these individuals may be facing, torturing children is evidence of a serious disorder. The individuals responsible should be barred from interaction with children and other vulnerable persons, and forcibly (since they are a proven harm to others) placed under psychiatric care."
i have never been to JRC but i spent a lot of time in the massachusetts mental hygeine system.many staff,teachers,doctors or as they used to say "counclah" in bostonian english.most of the staff are good people who were the victem of in proper training.most people who work at this places are recent bachlor grads only 22 years old usualy then going for a doctorate in psyche.there were trained wrong but were kind loving people


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06 May 2012, 9:35 am

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i have never been to JRC but i spent a lot of time in the massachusetts mental hygeine system.many staff,teachers,doctors or as they used to say "counclah" in bostonian english.most of the staff are good people who were the victem of in proper training.most people who work at this places are recent bachlor grads only 22 years old usualy then going for a doctorate in psyche.there were trained wrong but were kind loving people


And where exactly would they get training to use electroshocks for correcting minor infractions of the rules? It's not exactly mainstream practice here. Not even for when electroshock used to be reputable.

I should have been more clear though, and focused on whoever decided this deviation was good policy. It's not really the employees to blame for that.



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06 May 2012, 10:10 am

edgewaters wrote:
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i have never been to JRC but i spent a lot of time in the massachusetts mental hygeine system.many staff,teachers,doctors or as they used to say "counclah" in bostonian english.most of the staff are good people who were the victem of in proper training.most people who work at this places are recent bachlor grads only 22 years old usualy then going for a doctorate in psyche.there were trained wrong but were kind loving people


And where exactly would they get training to use electroshocks for correcting minor infractions of the rules? It's not exactly mainstream practice here. Not even for when electroshock used to be reputable.

I should have been more clear though, and focused on whoever decided this deviation was good policy. It's not really the employees to blame for that.
im not defending the practice but im sure there told by administration that would there doing is some how good.if they werent told by there bosses to do it how would they then know how to do it.the only thing i was respondiny to was the part about banning them from working with children uin the future.these young staff workers are pawns the admins game and they dont want to hurt kids.im sure if they went to the kutchins institute in northamton or something were these thing are not practiced they would not a be danger to children


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06 May 2012, 10:27 am

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im not defending the practice but im sure there told by administration that would there doing is some how good.if they werent told by there bosses to do it how would they then know how to do it.the only thing i was respondiny to was the part about banning them from working with children uin the future.these young staff workers are pawns the admins game and they dont want to hurt kids.im sure if they went to the kutchins institute in northamton or something were these thing are not practiced they would not a be danger to children


I understand you aren't defending it and I see your point with respect to the employees.

But I still feel the same about the administration. They made a choice to strongly deviate from normal practices. Why?



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06 May 2012, 11:31 am

edgewaters wrote:
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im not defending the practice but im sure there told by administration that would there doing is some how good.if they werent told by there bosses to do it how would they then know how to do it.the only thing i was respondiny to was the part about banning them from working with children uin the future.these young staff workers are pawns the admins game and they dont want to hurt kids.im sure if they went to the kutchins institute in northamton or something were these thing are not practiced they would not a be danger to children


I understand you aren't defending it and I see your point with respect to the employees.

But I still feel the same about the administration. They made a choice to strongly deviate from normal practices. Why?
i cant tell you why.no program in cental or western massachusetts ingages in theses practices.most programs in mass have a strictly hands off policy.meaning no physical restaints or even physical contact with kids at least as far as disapline in concerned.my guess is that kids to violent for the mainstream programs to handle are forced to expell kids with extreme problems and outside of juvinile jail or locked state hospitals the JRC is the only program who will take these tough cases


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06 May 2012, 1:46 pm

Not trying to defend the actions of individual but
one, since these are the policies of the institution it really should be shut down, not restaffed
two, the way professionals are educated about asd is severely lacking

replace the individuals in these systems with out overhauling them won't make anything better


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06 May 2012, 6:30 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Not trying to defend the actions of individual but
one, since these are the policies of the institution it really should be shut down, not restaffed
two, the way professionals are educated about asd is severely lacking


Perhaps it should be shut down and reopened as a museum of mental health practices... Let people can come and see what these kids went through. That's one way we could educate parents, professionals, and the general public. (They really should have done this at Williowbrook.)



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06 May 2012, 10:12 pm

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i cant tell you why.no program in cental or western massachusetts ingages in theses practices.most programs in mass have a strictly hands off policy.meaning no physical restaints or even physical contact with kids at least as far as disapline in concerned.my guess is that kids to violent for the mainstream programs to handle are forced to expell kids with extreme problems and outside of juvinile jail or locked state hospitals the JRC is the only program who will take these tough cases


Look at the abuse in old age homes. The residents there aren't violent. Any institution you have that takes care of the vulnerable, there seems to be abuse. It's a common theme they all share. I suspect that just as pedophiles are attracted to institutions that deal with young people, so people with other sorts of problems are attracted to other settings where they are given control of other vulnerable persons.

This is not an established method of dealing with violent children. Massachussetts is not the only place in the world where there are institutions set up to deal with this particular demographic, and as far as I know, none of them use this particular method of discipline. It is suspicious.



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07 May 2012, 4:45 am

edgewaters wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
i cant tell you why.no program in cental or western massachusetts ingages in theses practices.most programs in mass have a strictly hands off policy.meaning no physical restaints or even physical contact with kids at least as far as disapline in concerned.my guess is that kids to violent for the mainstream programs to handle are forced to expell kids with extreme problems and outside of juvinile jail or locked state hospitals the JRC is the only program who will take these tough cases


Look at the abuse in old age homes. The residents there aren't violent. Any institution you have that takes care of the vulnerable, there seems to be abuse. It's a common theme they all share. I suspect that just as pedophiles are attracted to institutions that deal with young people, so people with other sorts of problems are attracted to other settings where they are given control of other vulnerable persons.

This is not an established method of dealing with violent children. Massachussetts is not the only place in the world where there are institutions set up to deal with this particular demographic, and as far as I know, none of them use this particular method of discipline. It is suspicious.
as far as i know the JRC is the only place in mass that this happens.i was simply giving an educated guess as to why the JRC is allowed to do this.i wasnt dsaying that my guess was a actual fact.i was just guessing why kids might end up at the JRC instead of other programs


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11 May 2012, 11:44 pm

I can't beleive they have not prosecuted these savages yet, after all the irreversible brutality they caused has been exposed for years. Hearing about these things almost makes me wish this entire world would be obliterated. It is worth questioning whether all the kids admitted in these "homes" are disturbed or impaired. Maybe there are not enough regulations to determine whether the child displays dangerous behaviors or whether the parents want to use psychiatry as a method of abuse.

Here is the most depressing and unsettling story I have read on the disgusting treatment of children and others committed by psychiatrists for my psychology class > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/ ... calscience

Even today, such barbarity is still occassionally heard of because, as we could imagine, the just complaints of patients with psychological/neurological difficulties about cruel treatment are dismissed as paranoia and lies. Shock treatment should also be criminally punished and remembered for the torture it is. The effects of this evil are so damaging to the brain that it is only performed on the nondominant side - because those who are reckless enough to perform this procedure know what it causes. < To think anyone would be sadistic enough to inflict this on those who are still neurologically developing.



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petitesouris wrote:
I can't beleive they have not prosecuted these savages yet, after all the irreversible brutality they caused has been exposed for years. Hearing about these things almost makes me wish this entire world would be obliterated. It is worth questioning whether all the kids admitted in these "homes" are disturbed or impaired. Maybe there are not enough regulations to determine whether the child displays dangerous behaviors or whether the parents want to use psychiatry as a method of abuse.

Here is the most depressing and unsettling story I have read on the disgusting treatment of children and others committed by psychiatrists for my psychology class > http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/ ... calscience

Even today, such barbarity is still occassionally heard of because, as we could imagine, the just complaints of patients with psychological/neurological difficulties about cruel treatment are dismissed as paranoia and lies. Shock treatment should also be criminally punished and remembered for the torture it is. The effects of this evil are so damaging to the brain that it is only performed on the nondominant side - because those who are reckless enough to perform this procedure know what it causes. < To think anyone would be sadistic enough to inflict this on those who are still neurologically developing.
it suprises me too most programs in mass are completley hands off,meaning no physical contact with kids.i was totaly shocked the first time i heard of this and why the attorney generals office hasnt filed charges blows my mind


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