The Autistic Genocide Clock. This is sickening people.

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Because who am I to decide for you that you shouldn't have the chance to at least try? Who am I to make the choice for you that your quality of life will not be good enough?

Who could have known, before you were born, that you would feel this way? Who could have known, before I was born, that I would feel exactly the opposite? Suppose they had picked at random to abort one of us. Maybe you wouldn't mind if they'd picked you, but I'm glad to be alive.

Well...even though i'm a staunch supporter of abortion rights, i'm not arguing for abortion here per se.

Schopenhauer said, "The world is Hell and men are on the one hand the tormented souls and on the other the devils in it".

While he was quite correct IMO...I don't think he went far enough.


For "men" also do a pretty good job of "tormenting" many non-human lifeforms and the planet as a whole.

Further still....nature itself is at least as much of a tormenter of humans as other humans are.

Humanity has proven, beyond any reasonable doubt, to be the most sado-masochistic and ecocidal species which has ever inhabited this earth.


Thus....I see no rational or moral reason to wish for the continuation of the human species.

Too many suffer unspeakably.....too many cause unspeakable suffering. We are ALL contributing to the degradation and immiseration of many other lifeforms on this planet
as well.

The happiness of a few...even a majority... does not justify the continuation of this species IMO.

The DEGREE of suffering and environmental destruction that humans both endure and cause warrants our extinction. This species is, in the general sense, wholly unworthy of the
gift of life.


While i'm certainly not saying I personally would have anything to do with pulling the trigger on humanity, I would not weep if I knew we would all disappear tomorrow.

Rather....I would rejoice unapologetically.


I think it would be the very best thing that could happen to a planet and a species which has been dirtied and degraded for far too long by this two-legged plague of sado-masochistic and ecocidal locusts.

All I can say to the happy ones of this earth is...."To those who much has been given...much is expected".

The happy and fortunate ones have utterly failed to live up to their expectations as far as i'm concerned.

And who has ever been given more than most modern people in the "developed world"?

Are these people making life substantially easier on the less fortunate and many non-human lifeforms?

If western consumer-driven sweatshops in the third world, the Vietnam war, the holocaust, the recent disaster in the gulf, the 250,000 homeless Vietnam vets, etc....ad nauseum/infinitum.... are any indications.... i'd say they're largely doing the opposite.


So perhaps you'll forgive me if I feel that the less fortunate and many non-human lifeforms should not be sacrificed for the shiny happy people. The existence of hell is not
justified just because it's heaven for some people.

Including many who stoke the fires of this hell.

"Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

BS three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless f*****g hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any f*****g time. Any f*****g day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
BS three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless f*****g hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any f*****g time. Any f*****g day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid s**t, silly s**t, stupid s**t...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.

Mom is going to fix it all soon,
Mom is coming round to put it back
The way it oughtta be...

Learn to swim.

f**k L Ron Hubbard and
f**k all his clones.
f**k all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

f**k retro anything.
f**k your tattoos.
f**k all you junkies and
f**k your short memory.

Learn to swim.

f**k smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
f**k these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
Suck it down.
Flush it down."

Tool, "Aenima"


Aside from the fact that I wish all this on the entire human species and not just the citizens of Los Angeles....my sentiments exactly.

I don't disagree that humanity's current state is horribly debased and that we do a great deal of harm. We have not lived up to the standard to which I believe humanity should be held.

But our existence is a given. Our potential is great. Within each of us is a bit of God. We can fix this. It'll be hard. It'll be temporary. But we can fix this. And when it breaks again, our great great grandchildren will fix it again. This isn't just a possibility; this is our duty.

The world is very cyclical. The problems we face have been faced before, under different guises. They've been survived, and fixed. The world has known bad times, but also good. Fight the former and live for the latter, because you have no choice.

And remember, there's more we haven't seen.

I don't believe in god and I don't believe we can fix much of anything substantial.

Even if we tried our best NOW (which we won't)....I think it would all be a case of too little....too late.

You might be willing and able to fix alot of things.


Good luck getting billions of others (plenty of whom have enough problems just trying to survive) to assist you. Too many of those who are able aren't willing and too
many who are willing aren't able.

Sorry if you view this as negative....it's not like I enjoy feeling this way about humanity, but i'm afraid I can't help it.

I just see it the harsh reality of the human condition.

Horus, I don't honestly think that what you're seeing differs from I'm seeing. And to a certain extent, I agree.

But... I guess I can't say that I've never seen anything bad happen that wasn't remedied. But I see that there is a backlash against the worst parts of this world. I've seen miracles happen. A woman's life spared seemingly by chance, leaving her to care for her five-year-old. My own school career, after having to leave a public school because it was a bad fit, then another public school because they passive-aggressively forced me out, then a private school due to bullying, then a "special" private school that lasted only days... and now, a high school where I'm thriving, with hopes for college. The subject I never had the slightest shred of ability with finally starting to come, with difficulty. The obvious truths becoming more accepted by the day. A good member of a group I'd written off as wholly evil. I, who could not keep a friend for more than a couple of months, have kept a dear friend for nearly three years now.

The truth is, I used to agree with you completely. And maybe I'm just being a stupid teenager, going through a phase. But somehow, I doubt that. My hopes have a basis in reality. Lately, I've been watching so much happen lately.

But there's historical precedent, too. The eradication of smallpox. The Civil Rights Movement. The Revolutionary War. The development of treatments for once-incurable diseases.

I'd quote a song like you, but I'd have to quote the entire soundtrack of Man of La Mancha, and I don't think anyone wants to scroll past that.

Eh well....i've never said many good things don't happen. I don't view them as miracles personally, but that's just me.

But it seems to me that all the good things ultimately amount to little more than band-aids on a cancer.

I don't approve of the scare tactics in that article any more than I approve of the scare tactics used by Autism Speaks.

Everything about how society understands and deals with autism in the midst of a huge evolution. The important thing is to keep the conversation going, and refrain from divisiveness.

When people really understand the spectrum, there will be less interest in a pre-natal test.

i know who won't be taking that test me i refused too.

I don't agree with this analogy, because a band-aid isn't even related to the treatment of cancer. A band-aid for a hemophiliac's papercut would be more accurate.

Or perhaps a hemophiliac's severed leg. Yeah, that one seems like a much better analogy, because a band-aid is a treatment for bleeding, just not this degree of bleeding.

I view them as miracles because they're so unlikely I have to attribute them to God.

What a beautiful, inspiring post.

Honestly, I realise there is a pre-natal test for autism but, that does not necessarily translate in the mass extermination of autistic people worldwide.Please excuse my harshness yet, I've come to uinderstand that the Nazis' were not the only sociological grouip to invoke mass murder via hatred therefore, I hope that many people will come to understand that all people in the autistic spectrum are merely persons with traits that are more or less unorthodox whereby, troubles can occur but, one's life is not a totally bleak picture..

You do realize that prenatal testing is completely optional, right?

Also, I've spent time around lower-functioning autistic people. I can completely understand why a prospective parent would want a test for autism.

No it should not be there...Autistic people have also right to be alive and live the life they want to.....This should not be the way you treat them.
Thanks,

To the people going "DONT MAKE THIS TEST AVAILABLE I WOULDN'T BE BORN IF MY PARENTS HAD DONE IT,"

If your parents had decided to abort you, you wouldn't care because you wouldn't have been born in the first place.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Testing for genetic disorders is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL. If you have kids and they offer the autism test, you can choose not to take it.

That's not what bothers me about this sort of testing. Of course I wouldn't know if I'd been murdered as a fetus in the womb. But other people would. Think about all the other people with ASDs and other conditions who have contributed so much to science, the arts and other benefits to society that we wouldn't have had if we'd not allowed them to live in the first place. True, if you never knew they were going to "be" in the first place, you wouldn't miss them, but then think about how much more dismal our lives would be without these gifted and valued people. There's no way to tell how severe the ASD would be in an unborn child is until they're born and begin to grow. You could be getting rid of someone who might have cured cancer or something.



It's optional for now, but with the way our society is hung up on pursuing human perfection as well as simple convenience, this will more than likely change over time. Plus, with overpopulation becoming a concern, the "problem children" will be the first to lose the battle for the right to exist. Look at China.

I can easily see a pair of NT parents opting to abort an ASD-positive fetus because they simply don't want to deal with the "hassle" of raising an autistic child, even if the chances were good that the condition would be mild. That's a person being eliminated for the sake of convenience. Yes, life is "optional." Should it be? If people don't want children, they shouldn't get pregnant, IMO.

You're talking about high-functioning autistic people, and not all autistic people are high-functioning. And I really hate the "ZOMG YOU MIGHT HAVE ABORTED EINSTEIN" argument. For all you know, your kid might end up like Chris-chan or Jeffrey Dahmer.





Wow, slippery slope much?