Arrogance is not a need and other refuges in audacity

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20 Jul 2011, 6:41 am

So now you want to make yourself out to be the victim of someone making note of poorly devised arguments in favor of calling other's Nazi's? Just argue soundly without the name calling and you will more often be better received. I really hate this kind of petty victim-hood over otherwise civil discourse. Now on the other hand if I was really trying to be vindictive I'd understand but your just being a poor sport of really good debating.

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20 Jul 2011, 10:09 am

ci wrote:

So now you want to make yourself out to be the victim of someone making note of poorly devised arguments in favor of calling other's Nazi's?

You weren't arguing that it was incorrect to say so earlier.

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I don't care if you think your accusation of him being something related to a Nazi including neo-Nazi is correct whereas the vast majority of others are wrong to accuse others of it.

ci wrote:

Just argue soundly without the name calling and you will more often be better received.

Practice what you preach.

ci wrote:

I really hate this kind of petty victim-hood over otherwise civil discourse.

No, I was actually defending myself against you criticizing me. There was no civil discourse. You made a petty argument where you changed you point from first saying the word Neo-Nazi was wrong to then saying it was exaggerated, to then saying it didn't matter whether I said the word Neo-Nazi right but that you were only trying to help me not seem silly to then saying the word Neo-Nazi was wrong.

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Now on the other hand if I was really trying to be vindictive I'd understand but your just being a poor sport of really good debating.

I was fighting off a fascist and you picked on me for saying Neo-Nazi. There was no debate there.

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20 Jul 2011, 10:59 am

I was always arguing the in the same way. I disagree with calling others Nazi's and related. You simply cannot handle a little criticism and play victim of it. It's really getting to the point of being petty and intellectually immature on your part. If you can't handle simple input with disagreeing with the methods for your own benefit then don't post here. Otherwise please move on as no matter how big of a deal you make it out to be and as if you are being picked on and magically I'll be this big bully in some peoples minds over a little criticism and are the victim of someone disagreeing with the style I will not stop speaking my mind because this forum allows free input.

Just move on.

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20 Jul 2011, 11:37 am

ci wrote:

So now you want to make yourself out to be the victim of someone making note of poorly devised arguments in favor of calling other's Nazi's?

I am not making myself out as the victim. I told the truth. You keep making up accusations.

ci wrote:

Just argue soundly without the name calling and you will more often be better received.

Why don't you do it yourself?

ci wrote:

I really hate this kind of petty victim-hood over otherwise civil discourse.

He was typecasting people and you were making up ideas about my intentions without any proof.

ci wrote:

Now on the other hand if I was really trying to be vindictive I'd understand but your just being a poor sport of really good debating.

Have I already said this? There wasn't any debating for a while now. He insulted whole groups of people. That wasn't debating. It was hate crime. You then went on by accusing me of various things.

Please stop.

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20 Jul 2011, 11:45 am

Look you can take the criticism or not but you clearly painted yourself as a victim of the criticism by saying I was picking on you. You have told me never to criticize you as a warning. I suppose this is what I was being warned about. It's gotten to the point in this conversation you cannot even be truthful with yourself so I cannot expect you to be truthful to me about the obvious facts comprised within this side discourse of the main subject. Again I don't disagree with your not liking what he said but simply as a suggestion it is not wise to paint someone out to be similar to a Nazi because a % of the reading audience will simply shut out your opinions because it's overused.

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20 Jul 2011, 11:52 am

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Look you can take the criticism or not but you clearly painted yourself as a victim of the criticism by saying I was picking on you.

I haven't taken any criticism, because nothing you said was actually well-meaning criticism. All you have done is made accusations.

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You have always told me never to criticism you as a warning.

That's another unproven accusation.

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It's gotten to the point in this conversation you cannot even be truthful with yourself so I cannot expect you to be truthful to me about the obvious facts comprised within this side discourse of the main subject.

I have been truthful all this time. You should stop projecting your own faults on me.

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Again I don't disagree with your not liking what he said but simply as a suggestion it is not wise to paint someone out to be similar to a Nazi because a % of the reading audience will simply shut out your opinions because it's overused.

Again you wont stop twisting what I said. I said neo-nazi. Neo-nazism resembles Nazism. He said many offensive, typecasting things.

What it actually has gotten to is a point where you keep making up accusations and I have to keep on responding and defending myself against you. You disregarded logic a long time ago. Your tone is vindictive and patronising. Your words are meant to provoke and you keep trying to make up abusive accusations about what I say and somehow expect me to call this respectable criticism.

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20 Jul 2011, 11:59 am

You in fact do what you say I do. This conversation has become far too mellow dramatic and immature to be productive. You got to be able to handle criticism and being honest with yourself. I think you are your own worst bully. You started with the accusations, the baloney your being bullied for being criticized nonsense and the name calling. Perhaps you should read the topic of your post and see to what extent your audacity in your opinion is a refuge for arrogance.

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20 Jul 2011, 12:25 pm

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Actually autism is not a disability and just because autism is included as a quack medical diagnosis still does not make autism a disability. Autism is only a disability because the world we live in refuses to conform to the autistic way of doing things. So is it arrogance to demand that the world change to such a degree as to revolve around the autistic? There is little hope that the autistic will change because autism is so hard wired in the brain. But autistic supremacy teaches that autism in fact a better way of doing things. Once the world accepts autistic supremacy they will become more tolerant of autistics because the world will realize we have a better way. But the other strategy is of compassion and pity which really means we want the world to feel sorry for ourselves. But we do not want pity from the world and we do not want shame from the world. We want the world to be proud of the fact that we are autistics and that we have found genius through autism.

I see your point, but I would define a disablity as something that prevents you from accomplishing things you would like to for instance. So though I have never fit with society I do happen to live in it and the AS does make that kind of difficult. So I would say it can be a disability in that sense. Maybe in a different kind of society it would work better.

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20 Jul 2011, 12:58 pm

You have continued to say that I am being defensive, use weak arguments and have used supposition, lied, exaggerated and other accusations. You have never once proven any of these things. If anything you have shown that you are incapable of showing any sort of self-restraint, always spinning deeper and deeper in to more accusations when I restate my case. Now please stop.

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20 Jul 2011, 1:00 pm

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Maybe in a different kind of society it would work better.

That line is the basis of what I believe. Furthermore it may also require special learning to reach out specifically to those unlike us.

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20 Jul 2011, 1:27 pm

I know how much of a sore spot the subject can be but keep it civil guys.

Maybe we should have an auto-lock feature the moment someone calls Godwin's Law :lol:

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20 Jul 2011, 1:33 pm

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You do the exact same thing. Over a suggestion you have become more then defensive but quite manipulative socially in response. Again, no respect for Nazi name callers. Intellectual discourse needs rational balances from the get go to be productive. While I do not hate you as a person for saying it or implying it I have made suggestions. Instead you have become a victim of suggestion by not being able to accept criticism in order to protect your initial point of view.

This conversation has become more about I'm right your wrong ego then productive debate. I'm no longer replying in this thread. Feel free to talk to me in other subjects but enough with the claims of your being picked on so you can win arguments.

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20 Jul 2011, 2:43 pm

ci wrote:

If I feel that criticism is unwarranted then I will prove why it is wrong. I have done this time and time again. Your feelings and conjectures have dominated your responses as I have shown again and again and at this point I am tired of reposting obsolete information.

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This conversation has become more about I'm right your wrong ego then productive debate. I'm no longer replying in this thread. Feel free to talk to me in other subjects but enough with the claims of your being picked on so you can win arguments.

I already said that this post has never been about productive debate ever since you began calling me out. I was fighting hatred and then I was combatting your assumptions. If you ever take a look at this thread again then I hope you look carefully and feel you have done what I have said that you did. I never played a victim game. I just combatted your assumptions as wrong. That isn't inability to take criticism, that is criticism. But you obviously can't take a single ounce of it for as I challenged what you said you just ignored what I said, twisted your argument and just restated everything again and again.

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20 Jul 2011, 3:14 pm

Gedrene: I hope you have noticed there are a number of threads running in sncy which are directly relating to the issues which are really bugging you and me and a whole bunch of guys here.

I am collecting opinions on what to put in a series of emails to the guys who seem to sustain these definitions of us at a prominent and influential level.

OKay- So far

1. I have asked Tohmas Szasz to step in and help ,or if he is too frail these dasy, for one of his former students.

2. I am in the process of contacting a former collegue of David Hays to help out here as well. ( worked for NASA etc )

3. Ci and whole bunch of guys here are supporting this move in their own ways.

4, We are trying to initiate 'first contact' and incorpotate our perspective and experience in the models held about us at the highest level.

5. I f they refuse to play ball after all this is done we have the' tractor beam' option -OK .

Now this is a complex series of moves- I would sure appreciate your constructive help in the above
since you raised the damn issue .

Okay.

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20 Jul 2011, 5:08 pm

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OKay- So far

1. I have asked Tohmas Szasz to step in and help ,or if he is too frail these dasy, for one of his former students.

2. I am in the process of contacting a former collegue of David Hays to help out here as well. ( worked for NASA etc )

3. Ci and whole bunch of guys here are supporting this move in their own ways.

4, We are trying to initiate 'first contact' and incorpotate our perspective and experience in the models held about us at the highest level.

5. I f they refuse to play ball after all this is done we have the' tractor beam' option -OK .

Now this is a complex series of moves- I would sure appreciate your constructive help in the above
since you raised the damn issue .

Okay.

I believe that I must make more criticisms of other theories. There are a cavalcade of them. I do not know what takes place of the theory of mind. Do what you must. Do not give wholeheartedly into another's theories. I feel I have alot to say before people actually know what I think completely.

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21 Jul 2011, 1:54 pm

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