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Speak for yourself....In my experiance people who can be described by some of that have been quite awesome to me. It could be I am a deviant as well and they know I'm not going to go telling the wrong people anything. I have never been involved with anything gang related but all the other things I have come in contact with.

Right now I am taking deviant sociology so I get to learn all kinds of fun stuff about all that.

Good people do bad things, Bad people do good things....My best friend is a military veteran who has killed people basically if he was ordered to kill someone he did it, but he is an awesome person so how could I hold that against him? yeah I know he was in the military but killing people is killing people right...why is it honorable if you are in the military but discraceful otherwise for instance?

Come on, saying that one has decided to be selective in the individuals one chooses to support is hardly akin to packing the remainder off to the gas chamber.

Ah oh it's nearing midnight and the U.K and European Gremlins are coming. Most of the divisive autism politics started in the U.K with a U.K sour attitude spreading to the the Autism Community in America. I think it's time for proper decisive American leadership and keeping it in America instead of them trying to invade with something not near as pleasant as the Beatles.

My favorite song of theirs.

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That is one of the biggest faults of humanity: to not challenge people who try to distort otherwise completely viable concepts in order to carry out despicable plans. Hiding away from situations where people may misuse a concept doesn't make the problem go away. It just festers.

Barbara Walsh
Roman Catholic Nuns in England and Wales 1800-1937: A Social History

I found it surprising initially, but it does actually join a lot of dots...

But how far that still influences current organisational policy is a big gap I haven't filled in yet...but as, while state social services per se have evolved a long significantly different organisational, attitudinal and legislative paths, the patterns within so many of the organisations remain the same it is reasonable to conclude that there could still be significant influence in the private sector.

But, as a caveat, the OTHER side of the religious (not alluded to by Walsh) whereby within Ireland they systematically ploughed our vulnerable women, our unwanted children and now our mentally challenged people into the ground for power, prestige, money and whatever-the-feck-else-they-get-out-of-it-that-I-cannot-fathom is equally true, and must also have influence the UK in some ways.

Except in the sense that what you do with the rest is leave them strung out without any realistic possibility of survival, while averting your eyes, washing your hands and telling yourself:

* They will be fine
* It's their own choice
* They deserved it
* Saying that one has decided to be selective in the individuals one chooses to support is hardly akin to packing the remainder off to the gas chamber
etc.

But they still suffer horribly, and die anyway.

Gas chambers are more honest, quicker, cleaner and as such more humane...except that they deny a minority a chance to escape...usually through deploying criminal and anti-social behaviours (understandably enough considering how anti-them society chooses to be) and force at least some sections of society to face responsibility for the real comnsequences of their social Darwinism.

Besides, killing people is far from being the worst thing you can do to them, it is just the most final.

A lot of professional soldiers are motivated by a loathing for war that drives them to fight to get it over with and come out the other side.

...and, of course, NOT ALL young women are drawn to "bad boys"...some of us have more sense.

Except that this was exactly what he was not intending to do Zeraeph. Deciding who and who does not need help is something people do today still. So saying that we shouldn't decide is somewhat unrealistic. The fact is that some people are being told they need professional support when they don't. That's what he is getting at. He is not saying let's forget about all people in wheelchairs. He's saying let's try and stop people whose attitude to life is making them incapable from thinking like that and get them out in to the world.

Well I suppose it all depends on what you define as 'bad boys' If I was to go with my grandmothers definition for instance my ex would be described that way...I mean he's a metalhead, we drank together(I was still underage so thats illegal), he had a felony for something stupid...he explained it to me and I don't think he should have been charged with crap.

A guy I have hung out with and am considering possibly pursuing a relationship smoked cannabis with me, and was telling me about a lot of what he's done in life and yeah some of it would qualify him as 'bad' if one thinks doing anything illegal always=bad...or having done bad things makes someone bad as a whole.

Chances are when I do find a relationship it will be with a fellow deviant, I don't think some straight edge, clean cut, sucessful career oriented person would want much to do with me...anymore then I would want much to do with them. Nothing against those people nessisarly its just not what I am compatable with. And I do not really see that as senseless, at least not in my case...I cannot deny how I am or what sorts of people I've been around due to it.

Same here...except...as I get older I have come to learn that *SOMETIMES* when you scratch the surface of a clean cut, straight arrow you find the wildest boys of all. So don't write them all off...

Women...

You know mental disorders can effect peoples attitudes...so it is not always fair to hold how someone veiws the world against them. I already know I have mental disorders.....and according to my psychology book it would be pretty amazing if I did not. Some things like alcoholism, anxiety and other things seem to run in the family I even have an aunt who says she smokes weed to make the voices shut up. I experianced a lot of the social factors that can contribute to mental disorders bullying, no real network of support, low socioeconomic status, and yes there is some learned helplessness there...I could not get out of going to school all the time so eventually I just had to hold it all in and try to stay out of everyones way hoping no one would go out of their way to pick on me. and well there is a lot more...I don't know how exactly forcing someone into a society they are unwelcome in will help. Yes I realise I have some problems, but I think we live in a profoundly sick society so...some things need to change about that before I want to be a part of it.

Well I give most people a chance, but considering my usual attire, possible lack of a shower the past two days, and unconventional opinions about things, drinking, cannabis use, ciggerette smoking and experiances with other substances I just don't see it working. Also not all of them but some that fit that description also have an attitude that would probably cause some problems with me....I don't want someone who will try to make me feel stupid or have any sort of elitist behavior even if it is just ever so slight. Well and the career oriented part means they are definatly part of the system...which is a bit of a turn off I will admit.

No...actually...you got that ALL wrong...and vitally, close to an area where your views and mine should be dovetailing too.

Firstly, the sole criteria being employed to decide who can, and who can't in most of the world today is "cost cutting" - and the actual relationship to whether the target will be able to survive can get downright creepy if you look too closely.

BUT there is more...

...and you put your toe in it there...

Often, despite not being vocationally functional without massive accomodation, the *LAST* thing people need is "professional support"...

Let me give you an analogy...people had brain tumours in the 17th century, they suffered and died of them and they BADLY needed help...but pretty much the *LAST* thing they needed was a rudimentary surgeon, poking around inside their skull without antisepsis or anaesthetic...which was all the "professional help" then available.

In a different way, same goes for a lot of autistics (and a lot of other people) today...no matter how much we *NEED* help doesn't change the fact that appropriate, useful help doesn't exist yet (and just to forestall the usual, will take even LONGER to come into existance while organisations like autism speaks make sure people keep looking in all the wrong place) and imposing the wrong help upon us in lieu can often make things far worse...

Equally, there is a tendency to base the decision "who genuinely cannot" on how much help a person accepts, without due regard to whether there is effective, appropriate, or even harmless help available for that person, which can really screw autistic people the long hard nasty way...in the exact terms of the context.

On the other hand, this same thinking provides an incentive to people to seek and even demand totally unnecessary and inappropriate help as the inevitable price of not being let hung out to dry.

So that, as she is practiced today, Social Darwinism is not only brutal and regressive, it is also *expensive*.

As a human being I find anyone who espouses it as a personal philosophy as subjectively repellant as a pedophile - which is my right...

EXCELLENT POST - practically hit a whole nail on the head with every word...

This is why I am taking psychology and sociology....they seem like good things to study for one who feels the way I do, as the more knowledge you have the more you can do about it if you choose. I don't really know what direction my life will go.......don't even know if I will complete a degree but what i learn will always be there.