Some one explain the problems with Autism Speaks?
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You're trolling cause you know that cure isn't intended for the super-intelligent. You know that cure is for the low-functioning to make them high-functioning. Many individuals are envious of high intelligence, so high intelligence should be shared with others, so they can have that intelligence too.
I doubt they will come up with any drug or other cure that will turn a low functioning autistic into a high functioning one. I mean its not like they can just give them an injection and all they sudden they will be super intelligent, gifted and a success. Even all the so called high functioning people with aspergers aren't all that way.
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No one is forcing you to live with autism, there is no cure for it...its a different neurology how do you cure that? Also as far as I know most current autism treatments are more about making the autistic individual appear normal on the outside regardless of what they think or feel about it. At least that is the impression I get.
I also agree autism should not be used as an excuse to be an ass...but I think that kinda goes without saying. I do agree with the notion neurotypicals should be more tolerant towards those who aren't and those who have mental illnesses. I mean I don't know about anyone else but no matter how much I try I can not behave neurotypically because well i am not that way. Also I think its more that for some with autism functioning on a job in the 'real world' is an issue.....there are pleanty who do want normal jobs but simply cannot function well enough there are some who might not want a normal job and a normal life even if they could function in that setting. As for acting out are we talking intentional acting out our sensory and/or stress overload and not being able to control it 24/7?
Also I find myself rather unhappy and rather suicidal, but curing me of my autism or treatments to make me 'act normal' isn't going to make me feel any better......I mean part of the reason I'm unhappy is because there is nothing appealing about the current society, even if I could function in it. It would be nice if I had a savant skill that happened to be playing guitar in a metal or rock band, but no such luck.
Maybe you would have a different view of society if seen through a different lens? I often wonder what the world looks like through an NT's eyes.
Environments that don't tell them they are 'wrong' for being autistic and thus behaving in an autistic manner and with supportive people who care about them and their well being, not who just want them changed or cured so they won't be such a 'nuisance.' Also I am sorry you don't know what neurotypical behavior is but I am sure you could look it up starting with a google search, there is not an exact single definition of it but its basically behavior that is considered that of someone with a neurotypical brain.
None of that is going to make up for not knowing how to do things right. It's unhelpful for one's ego and dignity to have to depend on others and be cared for by them. Being cared for isn't enough. Many would like to have independent lives of their own outside of the home and not with caregivers.
No, it's not overrated. Prove you think so by relinquishing your IQ points. I think you're very much like a capitalist.
My IQ points have already been taken from me. Every performance evaluation at work states that my work performance is below average and does not meet the companies standards. Yet collectively my work department has been rated as the highest assistive technology department in the whole nation.
No, it's not overrated. Prove you think so by relinquishing your IQ points. I think you're very much like a capitalist.
You're like the "socialists" from 1984. You keep saying that two and two make five, and expect us to believe you.
I really wish that people on both sides of this argument would realize that high IQ does not make someone not impaired, high IQ does not mean someone has mild autism, and being "high functioning" does not mean having high IQ.
IQ has little to do with autistic people's ability to survive in society without help. We've covered this, regularly.
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No one is forcing you to live with autism, there is no cure for it...its a different neurology how do you cure that? Also as far as I know most current autism treatments are more about making the autistic individual appear normal on the outside regardless of what they think or feel about it. At least that is the impression I get.
I also agree autism should not be used as an excuse to be an ass...but I think that kinda goes without saying. I do agree with the notion neurotypicals should be more tolerant towards those who aren't and those who have mental illnesses. I mean I don't know about anyone else but no matter how much I try I can not behave neurotypically because well i am not that way. Also I think its more that for some with autism functioning on a job in the 'real world' is an issue.....there are pleanty who do want normal jobs but simply cannot function well enough there are some who might not want a normal job and a normal life even if they could function in that setting. As for acting out are we talking intentional acting out our sensory and/or stress overload and not being able to control it 24/7?
Also I find myself rather unhappy and rather suicidal, but curing me of my autism or treatments to make me 'act normal' isn't going to make me feel any better......I mean part of the reason I'm unhappy is because there is nothing appealing about the current society, even if I could function in it. It would be nice if I had a savant skill that happened to be playing guitar in a metal or rock band, but no such luck.
Maybe you would have a different view of society if seen through a different lens? I often wonder what the world looks like through an NT's eyes.
I am not so sure I would want a different view on society.
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That wouldn't exactly be better, I would hope if we did happen to have an autistic society....we would not be intolerant of neurotypicals over all, that would just be the same problem in reverse according to your own logic.
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IQ has little to do with autistic people's ability to survive in society without help. We've covered this, regularly.
...Tuttle, stop making sense. The Party doesn't like it when people make sense.
But in all seriousness, agreed.
Also, Sweetleaf in the comment I'm assuming is directly above me still, agreed. It's a form of racism, if you really think about it.
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Environments that don't tell them they are 'wrong' for being autistic and thus behaving in an autistic manner and with supportive people who care about them and their well being, not who just want them changed or cured so they won't be such a 'nuisance.' Also I am sorry you don't know what neurotypical behavior is but I am sure you could look it up starting with a google search, there is not an exact single definition of it but its basically behavior that is considered that of someone with a neurotypical brain.
None of that is going to make up for not knowing how to do things right. It's unhelpful for one's ego and dignity to have to depend on others and be cared for by them. Being cared for isn't enough. Many would like to have independent lives of their own outside of the home and not with caregivers.
There is only one right way to do things? that's interesting...not sure I agree. Also if one has to depend on others to care for them then they at least shouldn't be put down for it. I am not opposed to helping low functioning people to improve their functioning but the goal should be improvement of their life...not in the name of making them more 'normal.' to make things easier for everyone else.
Who says the ones who want independent lives and to depend more on themselves cannot work to learn skills to help them with that? that's not a cure that is just general self betterment which I never suggested is a bad thing.
Maybe not but improvements could certainly be made...its sad that those with mental illnesses and disorders are expect to just suck it up and function in society...when its probably better to have a society that is not so intolerant towards such people, and then maybe they would function better. I am still of the opinion society is sick.
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IQ has little to do with autistic people's ability to survive in society without help. We've covered this, regularly.
...Tuttle, stop making sense. The Party doesn't like it when people make sense.
But in all seriousness, agreed.
Also, Sweetleaf in the comment I'm assuming is directly above me still, agreed. It's a form of racism, if you really think about it.
Well not really considering neurology has nothing to do with race really, it would be a type of discrimination and/or prejudice which racism also falls under.
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