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11 Sep 2011, 12:44 pm

Gedrene wrote:

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Others in PM agree and so does another member who bothered to just do a little research. Others lack of laziness proved beneficial to the conversation. Consider it a homework assignment and none of you have turned in your paper that complain the teacher has not done your work for you. You will get an F.

Like I said, an unwillingness to engage. Instead you resort to pomposity and believe me ci, you are no teacher.

I wish I could just ask 'where's the proof?' and and get a straight answer sometimes.

Yes, exactly.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:45 pm

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Like I said, an unwillingness to engage. Instead you resort to pomposity and believe me ci, you are no teacher.

Just more insults which you claim I do. I think it is unfortunate your not taking me up on the offer to do research and argue counter points to analytic theory. Instead for thinking for myself and having difficulty with learning disabilities I am summed to I am no teacher and pomposity for daring to act like so.

When you can make claims about my personality without then immediately doing what you claim I do in the same context we
might get along. Until then if you just want to hate for my having sample instructions on a topic for you to follow through on then just keep it to yourself.

Please educate yourself on the issues. Everyone is a teacher in some way toward others.

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11 Sep 2011, 12:46 pm

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Like I said, an unwillingness to engage. Instead you resort to pomposity and believe me ci, you are no teacher.

I wish I could just ask 'where's the proof?' and and get a straight answer sometimes.

Yes, exactly.

It's no where near a simple topic with 1+1= answered. You have got to understand the histology and know a bit of sociology at least. You have also got to be VERY honest with yourself.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:01 pm

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Just more insults which you claim I do.

It's a matter of factual record in this thread that you are refusing to provide meaningful evidence for your claims and in more than one case, completely ignoring questions.
I'm sorry if you find that record to be insulting but in reality, it is of your own construction.

ci wrote:

I think it is unfortunate your not taking me up on the offer to do research and argue counter points to analytic theory.

You have offered nothing except a refusal to provide concise evidence to back your claims.

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Instead for thinking for myself and having difficulty with learning disabilities I am summed to I am no teacher and pomposity for daring to act like so.

What, you think you're alone in having difficulties like these? Cry me a river...
I was referring to this little acidic comment of yours:

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Consider it a homework assignment and none of you have turned in your paper that complain the teacher has not done your work for you. You will get an F.

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When you can make claims about my personality without then immediately doing what you claim I do in the same context we might get along. Until then if you just want to hate for my having sample instructions on a topic for you to follow through on then just keep it to yourself.

Hate? Good lord man; how on earth do you manage to get 'hate' included?

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Please educate yourself on the issues. Everyone is a teacher in some way toward others.

Every single teacher I have known provides their pupils with solid and factual information, and never repetitious opinion.
Because without independent and verifiable facts that's all it is: opinion.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:16 pm

The simple instruction was do your own research. That is not unreasonable. If you refuse to realize eugenics was one of the founding agendas of autism pride \ anti-cure movement it would be different. Failure to research differs. As far as hate it's just the common anti-intellectual premise toward myself. Someone claims to be smarter, puts me down for thinking I am smart and then at times fails to argue with the points. You entered this conversation in a way creating a personal argument by putting myself down. And still yet refuse to do some simple research which is very reasonable. If you discover the facts on your own and make the effort I feel arguing the social and political dynamics is worth the effort. IT won't take you much time so if you go ahead and do it I will continue with you. Any further insults will just be forwarded to the moderator. Yes even I am a teacher just as everyone else is. The teacher has assigned a homework assignment on histology and sociology so we might debate appropriately and the personal attack nonsense will end.

Please don't be to proud the likes of me who has been intellectually put down on this forum for learning disability has the audacity to behave like an instructor. Do the research or leave the conversation. Put me down anymore I will report it.

"Cry me a river... "

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:31 pm

ci wrote:

The simple instruction was do your own research.

For starters: You aren't even a teacher or our teacher, or anyone's teacher. Prove what you say!

ci wrote:

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

Yes, after planting an imaginary F on this guys face I find that quite past the moral event horizon!

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11 Sep 2011, 1:35 pm

ci wrote:

The simple instruction was do your own research. that is not unreasonable.

And neither are requests for you to provide evidence for something with which you have more experience in dealing with than others.

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If you refuse to realize eugenics was one of the founding agendas of autism pride \ anti-cure movement it would be different.

You see? There's another serious claim made. Actually, two: you're also claiming I'm refusing to realise but I'm not sure how that's possible.

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As far as hate it's just the common anti-intellectual premise toward myself. Someone claims to be smarter, puts me down for thinking I am smart and then at times fails to argue with the points. You entered this conversation in a way creating a personal argument by putting myself down.

I see no evidence of anyone actually putting you down. I do see disagreement with your claims or asking for evidence to back them - but those are addressed at the concepts and not you personally.

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And still yet refuse to do some simple research which is very reasonable.

See my first point above. We're asking you to help us out here, ci - that's all.

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Any further insults will just be forwarded to the moderator.

Oh please, don't make threats - just go right ahead.

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Put me down anymore I will report it.

Go right ahead.

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"Cry me a river... "

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

Nonsense - you've simply quoted it out of context.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:36 pm

Gedrene wrote:

ci wrote:

The simple instruction was do your own research.

For starters: You aren't even a teacher or our teacher, or anyone's teacher. Prove what you say!

ci wrote:

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

Yes, after planting an imaginary F on this guys face I find that quite past the moral event horizon!

You keep evading the topic. Do the research like others have. If you refuse to do the research and want to act up by making insults the principles office is a potential solution. It's a joke. Yet do the research unless you have already done so and do not like what you found. What links have you come up with? The pride issue has for for years followed a theme and pattern. It's about abortion politics and commonly with it people are extraordinarily hypersensitive about indirect issues and namely being anti-cure.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:41 pm

ci wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ci wrote:

The simple instruction was do your own research.

For starters: You aren't even a teacher or our teacher, or anyone's teacher. Prove what you say!

ci wrote:

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

Yes, after planting an imaginary F on this guys face I find that quite past the moral event horizon!

You keep evading the topic. Do the research like others have.

Please don't evade the fact that points you make have to be proven by yourself.

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11 Sep 2011, 1:46 pm

Gedrene wrote:

ci wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

ci wrote:

The simple instruction was do your own research.

For starters: You aren't even a teacher or our teacher, or anyone's teacher. Prove what you say!

ci wrote:

Another insult that shows your true intentions of being a bully.

Yes, after planting an imaginary F on this guys face I find that quite past the moral event horizon!

You keep evading the topic. Do the research like others have.

Please don't evade the fact that points you make have to be proven by yourself.

I told you what to look up and will not go as far as do a search engine link of general keywords. Become educated about the issues. I think you are already partly educated. Acting like it is not there or not available to you or is unreasonable I ask you to do some research to continue the conversation is just a tactic to act like nothing exists. It is a very complex topic and is not for the beginner or those unwilling to do some research.

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11 Sep 2011, 2:23 pm

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... and your pride side kick Mr. Turning and his sperm bank selective genetics pride ...

What in the world are you talking about?

When have I ever mentioned 'sperm banks' or 'selective genetics'?

Quit the 'pride' attacks.

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11 Sep 2011, 2:25 pm

Cornflake - Your signature made bark with laughter.

I also agree with your sentiments.

Thanks!

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11 Sep 2011, 3:08 pm

ci wrote:

... and your pride side kick Mr. Turning and his sperm bank selective genetics pride ...

...he DID really say that, didn't he?

Ah ci...will you ever cop on? You have crossed so many lines now you have become high camp comedy, time to wind it in a bit I think?

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11 Sep 2011, 4:19 pm

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Cornflake - Your signature made bark with laughter.

I also agree with your sentiments.

Thanks!

You're very welcome - and for the record, I agree entirely with all that you've posted.

Opinion on any matter is worthless without supporting evidence (real, specific evidence) provided by the proponent in defence of his opinion during the subsequent debate in which the opinion will either stand or fall. It's not acceptable to be imperiously instructed by the proponent to toddle along and do your own research.

Without all of this, an opinion is and remains so much hot air.

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11 Sep 2011, 5:50 pm

Cornflake wrote:

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Cornflake - Your signature made bark with laughter.

I also agree with your sentiments.

Thanks!

I've already provided evidence. Now those who want to participate in relevant conversation about the political dynamics of pride need to do their research. It is not my job to do research for people and I can assure you the only hot air is coming from the claims of anti-cure pride advocates many times who do more to put their feet in their mouths then for a need for any psychological professional I'd consult to figure out the rhymes to their reasoning.

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11 Sep 2011, 7:00 pm

ci wrote:

I've already provided evidence.

Where?
Surely you can't possibly mean a rap video, a link to a WP post containing a video of people quietly protesting with placards, a "Hippie Life" music video, and a Bon Jovi video (twice)? Because apart from your restating what you've already said as backup for what you've already said, I see nothing else.

Yet astonishingly, that's exactly what you are doing: using music videos as evidence for your claims.
To AlanTuring on page 4:

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You refuse to look at embedded videos yet say I don't provide evidence. Seems fairly obvious your ignoring reality.

You are either unaware or simply don't care that some of us may have difficulties with any type of 'evidence' taking the form of a video (and I most certainly do when it takes the form of rap or other uncomfortable noise masquerading as music) - either because of sensory issues or because you're expecting us to wade through a video with no indication whatever of the points which are salient to you as evidence. I'm not sure which of these is the most abhorrent approach.
srriv345 has gone to the trouble of doing what you are not and her input has been both interesting and useful.

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I can assure you the only hot air is coming from the claims of anti-cure pride advocates many times who do more to put their feet in their mouths then for a need for any psychological professional I'd consult to figure out the rhymes to their reasoning.

Are you referring to me with this?
I ask, because it's unclear if this is another example of your evidence or another example of your snide little 'pride mite' -style attacks.

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