Sperm donor was AS

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If you analyse the rates of autism in silicon valley youll find that theyre a good 3-5% (maybe higher or lower) higher than in the general population. We serve a vital purpose in the arts and sciences. AS is a difference as opposed to an illness I concur with this, but I wont inflict these views forcefully on someone. I do not respect a man smuggling his sperm into another woman as there are way too many rape parallels. I get the impression that he just wants to ensure HIS genes survive while getting back at NT's. Win win as they say

Nice try but it is VERY clear that the OP's motivation is DUE to hating NTs.. not to mention the seething resentment he seems to have towards NT women. It's is certainly not subtle.

So where TF did I say autistics shouldn't breed? NOWHERE.

If you have ASD you can breed.. just because IVF clinics require actual HONESTY about medical and psychiatric health and disorders does NOT mean they are stopping autistics from breeding. IVF clinics do not exist purely so men can breed without having the actual responsibility of fatherhood.



Extermination? Er.. no. That may look good in a little cult pamphlet however.

Many tribes used to rape women in order to make sure their lineage is carried on. But that is fair enough though isn't it? I mean a whole tribe is under threat! This isn't about NT bigotry but someone thinking they have the right to violate the rights of women who trust IVF services. If you're worried about "facing genetic extermination" and think you should breed go forth and multiply there's nothing stopping you .. but it you are the type who thinks it is okay to use deception in order to do so I think having ASD is the least of your problems. You cannot carry on about rights and freedoms while actively VIOLATING the rights and freedoms of other people.



Seriously. You sound like you are in some sort of cult. There is no conspiracy to round autistics up and exterminate them. NTs aren't going to rise up and get you all. There is no coming storm..

I do not. There's a few cases of (suspected) mild autism related issues in several relatives including an uncle and a paternal grandfather, but none of my relatives besides me have ever been diagnosed with anything severe. I may carry the genes of mild autism but certainly, to my awareness, do not know of anyone in my family who was ever effected to the point of being severely debilitated in any way, shape or form.

Now to everybody here who calls me a saboteur, immoral or such negative words: yes, what I did can be understood as such. It?s ultimately all a matter of your personal opinion and where you stand on the issue, which will determine how severely you will judge my actions and how much they will anger you. Hate it or love it, I did what I did for a reason and I stand by that decision. And it was not just one reason, it was a multitude of reasons. I will try to go into these a bit deeper, if I haven?t already?

First of all, there is the injustice that I saw in the sperm donation system. For me to be fully honest, means for me to be dismissed and my sperm to be denied access to the bank and any potential mothers who might choose me to be the biological father of their children. If I had a family history of schizophrenia, depression, heart related issues, hereditary cancer or even senile dementia, I would have understood. If there were cases of severe autism to the point of not even being toilet trained or vocal, again, I would have understood. I have three siblings and none of them besides me display any signs of being anywhere on the spectrum. There is one paternal cousin of whom I suspect it but again, it?s only a suspicion and he otherwise functions quite well. My grandfather may have had it but he was (and still is) a very bright and intelligent man, a fast learner and an original thinker. There?s also an uncle of whom there are certain suspicions, whom my mother and father share. It does not seem to have hindered him much as he?s happily married and has a high paying job, even a social circle that appears quite close and lovely. I am a member of this wonderful family and their DNA is my own. And that DNA would never be refused by anyone who met me in person, but based on one little question without further investigation or testing I would have been tossed aside and thrown on the pile of ?undesirables?.

Secondly, there is the issue of autistic people being told in the media and by random uninformed bigots that what they have is a terrible thing and that they are basically borderline ret*d, requiring organizations to speak for them and people to patronize them. I am not ret*d, I am not stupid, and I am not any less then any given NT man. Yet his sperm would more easily be accepted by a sperm bank then mine because he doesn?t carry a ?frightening disease?, or a ?defective gene?. What do I have again, AIDS? Jesus Christ? people fear autism to such a ridiculous degree that I would indeed not be surprised if there would be pre-natal scanning while a woman is pregnant to determine whether or not her child is on the spectrum. I bet my balls many a woman would abort such a child, effectively diminishing the AS population greatly. There?s also the issue of AS people typically being quite bright, quite hesitant about life?s big decisions and many of them being quite well educated as well. The birth rates for this segment of the world?s population is plummeting as we speak, with most children being born to people who aren?t exactly rocket scientists. The smarter someone is, I believe, the more he will think (and over think) any possible decision he?ll make. The higher one?s intelligence, the fewer children he will likely have. I don?t think this is a good development and I also think with all the negative media attention plenty of people on the autistic spectrum will hesitate to raise families of their own, given all the horror stories we are bombarded with. I don?t want a very bright, creative, original and lovely segment of our population dying out because of this as it would be a bloody disgrace.

Now there is the issue of me being a narcissist. Quite a few people have thrown such accusations my way. I, like a great many of people, care about the survival of my genes and my offspring. This I admit. My fiancée and I both very much want to have children and raise a family and would both like to have a large family, in due time. We would ideally have between three or five children. This means there really isn?t a need for me to donate sperm biologically speaking, as my own family would provide me with enough descendents for my bloodline to live on. My main concern is the policy of sperm donation itself, and treating autism as if it is a disease. Yes I believe the policy and requirements of sperm banks are discriminatory in nature, that they are bigoted and vile and potentially damaging. Yes I would love to rally for this, lobby for this, become an activist. But would anyone care? The debate would be dominated by fear, NT fear of having a severely autistic child, AS fears of the same nature? ultimately my point, my argument, would be drowned in screaming parents and activists on both side of the argument. Few would have ears for what I mean to say, even fewer would sympathize with my opinion or share my fears of extinction. I?d be like a lone man yelling in the desert, with nothing but the rocks and cactuses as my audience.

Now I am being accused of a lot of things. From sociopath to serial killer, to monster, to narcissist. The latest insult slung my way is that I am a rapist. Really? I did something controversial to raise awareness of an issue I care deeply about and this is the price I pay. Well, so be it. Let this be the price I pay. But I stand by what I did, and I am glad to see at least some people here agree with me. As it now stands, over one third of voters on the poll sides with me and that?s very hopeful for me.

So let me repeat: what drove me to do what I did was the love for those who are different, love for those often marginalized by society. Driven by this love, and by a fear of losing these wonderful people to eugenicist policies of fear mongering bigots in an all-too-real and all-too-close future, I did what I did. No one was harmed by what I did as there is no history of severe autism in my family and I actually screened about five generations of my family tree and interviewed elderly relatives for evidence of this. None of the children born through my seed are currently severely autistic, or even on the spectrum at all, to my knowledge. What I did caused no harm, and if one day it turns out it did, I will be saddened by this. But whatever happens, the policy that forced me to do what I did and to take the stance I took, has to change.

Smuggling autistic genetic material into sperm banks will not allay anyone's fears.

The word autism has a very negative stigma attached to it, a fact we can blame the media and many people?s willful ignorance for. This frightens some people. Not just NT women but also men and women on the spectrum may be discouraged to start a family based on the huge long list of ?cannots? and ?will-be-difficults? thrown around. It makes people pessimistic, and there?s also plenty of people (maybe even the majority) who do not think negatively of autistic people but still would refuse a donor on the spectrum if given the chance.

I?m not smuggling in ?autistic genetic material?, as it?s not even proven for a fact that autism is genetic or hereditary in the first place. Yes it often runs in families but many times two NT parents have a child on the spectrum. Both my parents, for example, are as NT as can be. There is no scientific study proving beyond reasonable doubt that a child fathered by me, a man on the spectrum, is more likely to have issues similar to my own. It?s all speculation and I find this speculation dangerous as me, and men like me, are considered unfit to donate only because of maybe?s and might?s. Out of fear.

I don?t see these unjust policies being changed any time soon so I did what I did. It?s not an ideal solution but then again the situation is far from ideal itself. At least this way I am able to get people?s attention and get some recognition to an injustice that is being done. Controversy courts attention, and attention is what we need.

Delusional utterly delusional. I sincerely hope that this thread stays on WP because if this gets out people are going to start with the old stereotype that aspies are psychopaths all over again. The way to get your story out is to go to every sperm bank in America and count how many turn you away. You then write a report and send it eerywhere. Its fitting that your avatar is Putin. That also isnt helping your case by the way.

Is narcissism and sociopathy genetic? I would be more concerned with having a child that does not have an innate sense of morality than a child with AS. As we have seen here immorality has been justified with pre-empted "women will abort babies if they know they have so they have AS so deserve to be used as MEAT to further our aspie cause" bs. You whine about being oppressed yet have NO problem doing it to innocent people. That kind of argument is like "Well she was asleep at the time so didn't know she was raped so it doesn't count as rape".

The misogyny here is absolutely sickening. Women who use IVF are not there to be exploited as incubators for political causes. If you want to spread your seed have families. If you want to donate to sperm banks be HONEST. A woman may not mind a child with HFA if the donor also is also a gifted musician or artist with a high IQ. She may even choose those traits above others.

She WOULD however mind finding out a donor lied about vital information that could help that child's development.

I find it baffling that you can twist and turn a situation of AS men being discriminated against into a case of misogyny and even rape. It?s very simple, really: sperm banks do not want an autistic man to donate his sperm. This is discriminatory against autistic men. The reason a sperm bank does not want their sperm is because their customers (single women with a child wish or women in a relationship with an infertile man or another woman) do not want to have a child by an autistic father. This is also discriminatory, though one might argue in the woman?s case it?s a part of her own personal freedom of choice, it still is a discriminatory choice.

I am a man who, under current regulations, would not be allowed to donate his sperm. Honesty on my part means I will be dismissed. It?s is absolutely preposterous you likened this to rape, and quite frankly very offensive to me on a personal level. Am I a rapist for not being honest when honesty means I would be discriminated against?

Now there?s that accusation of misogyny, another completely ridiculous statement. Explain to me how what I did is ?offensive to women? or misogynistic in any way? Never in any of my posts have I said that I think any less of women then I think of men. Never have I made any antagonistic posts concerning women, or compared them negatively in any way, shape or form to men. The recipients of my sperm of course are women, but that?s the only link to what I do and the female gender. If the women who receive my men are in a heterosexual relationship, that means their male partner is sterile and one might twist and turn my story in another way and I would be misanderist on top of being misogynist. Oh and what if the women who receive my seed are in a lesbian relationship? I guess that would make me a homophobe too, on top of it all? if you try to accuse me of things at least have the common decency to accuse me of things that have an actual foundation or relevance to the discussion. Calling me a misogynist is ridiculous because not only is it untrue, it?s also not relevant in this situation and just another one in a long list of insults?

I am now: a sociopath, a serial killer, a monster, a psychopath, a misogynist, a liar, a fraud, a narcissist? what?s next, racist? Bigot? Mass-murderer? For crying out loud, it?s starting to seem like a witch hunt in here. And the personal attacks and insults really aren?t helping your case.

this is no different to lying to an actual woman who agrees to bear your child only on the condition that you disclose any illnesses that could be transmissible to the child.

There is several problems with this statement, which I will attempt to point out:

1) You insinuate autism is an illness that has to be disclosed ? it is not an illness
2) You insinuate that autism is genetic or hereditary, something for which there is no consistent scientific proof in existence, thus perpetuating the same old tired assumptions but without providing actual evidence to support this outlandish claim
3) I?ve actually met a woman in real life who looked for a donor to conceive with the natural way, we discussed the matter and a child was born through this donation, a perfectly healthy child I might add

It's a very weak claim you have and you know it. You and those sperm banks. Refusing sperm on a "better be safe then sorry" basis without an actual strong claim to support why certain donors cannot be used. Discrimination, plain and simple.

Riley, just a helpful hint...name calling and creating straw men doesn't really make it look like you're in control and winning an argument.

Like I have said before, whether you like what Charloz has done or not, at least he is getting up, getting out there and doing something. What have you done to make things better for people on the spectrum?

Isn't the current perception of autistics that they are hopeless ret*ds that deserve pity at best. This may change the general perception of us.

Another straw man that needs to be put to bed is that Charloz is being misogynist by doing this. I don't believe this really has anything to do with gender. If Charloz was an autistic woman donating eggs then I would have the same opinion as I do now.

I don't know where Charloz comes from, but in many countries, there is a severe shortage of sperm donors. So for many women, it's not a choice between having an autistic baby or a neurotypical baby, it's a choice between having a baby that may have a small chance of developing a form of autism so mild that they are only disabled by people's attitudes....or no baby at all.

Again if this became a news story noone would feel pity for aspies,just suspicion fear and paranoia. "If theyre capableof that what else are they capable of?"

The issue here is that a woman's rights have been violated. This crosses a boundary/line. We're not dealing with a donation of cartilage from the ear. This is sperm and pregnsncy. You cannot infiltrate a woman's womb with your genetic material in this way. Its a violation of consent because the woman in question will have chosen the material of a healthy man. Our perspective is that autism is a difference, but others do not have this opinion and have scientific reasons for doing so. Whether autism is difference or no is of little importance. What is important is the dishonesty and secrecy as well as the fact that this does autistics everywhere a massive massivee disservice. If other aspies started doing this that would be it for us.

The only person this helps is Charloz. He is clearly getting a big kick out of the whole affair. Notoriety Control Power. This doesnt help us. I dont feel a sense of admiration for our brave man and his functioning scrotum.

The issue of whether autism is hereditary is hardly baseless additionally. Complex and controversial would be better words to use. There is mountains of evidence to prove that its hereditary enough to make what you did a crime against a child that might be born with real difficulties. He may not fare as well as you

The thing is that the woman has already consented to be inseminated. It's not a crime to lie to a woman to sleep with her (many neurotypical men do this).

I've already mentioned that there is no such thing as a 100% healthy individual with 100% healthy DNA, so all men and women who donate genetic material to fertility clinic, and fertility clinics themselves are lying to recipients as well.

Not only that, but to compare autism to a disease is making a category mistake in my opinion. I have Aspergers Syndrome, and I'm Gay. I see them both as neurodivergences, not diseases.

People had 'scientific reasons' to believe that homosexuality is a disease 50 years ago.

The common stereotype is that people on the autistic spectrum are incapable of lying. I don't want us to be hated and feared, but I think it's better than being pitied and marginalised.

People lie to each other to bed each other all the time. Its part of the arrangement. Both parties are aware that there are terrible secrets lurking just beneath the skin. The agreemeent is dont ask dont tell. In this situation however the compact was made under the assumption of complete disclosure. There is a massive difference there. Moreover the frequency of a crime does not necessarily have any bearing on its severity.

YOU see it as a divergence. The reality is that many aspies dont. Bipolar disorder could be seen as a divergence too. The hallucinations of schizophrenia were seen as shamanistic some people say. Epileptics have profound experiences before some episodes its been reported. People in comas have NDE's.

Why dont we find a bipolar schizophrenic with epilepsy to donate sperm to every bank? Oh he also has psychopathy. Theres some quality produce

The thing with sperm banks is that somehow a deep rooted sense of racism, discrimination and eugenics is somehow seen as a right. As if getting sperm from a donor is like window shopping for the dress you like the most. There seems to be almost zero focus whether the parent(s) are actually capable of giving the child the love and care it needs ( although this is a problem in general ... ). It's a bit sickening to me, then again so are many things that most people consider as a normal thing.

Just a random snibbit from a sperm bank website:



Where sperm banks were first a necessity for couples or single women who couldn't or didn't have the means to conceive, it has now gotten pretty far into objectifying men. If you want a child and you will love and take care for it unconditionally, why does it even matter what hair colour, eye colour, height or even hobbies or interests the donor has? I just don't get it.

I agree with everything you said there, it is disturbing but before Charloz claps you on the back it still doesn't justify his actions because his actions if anything will just result in those policies becoming MORE stringent and MORE deterministic. They'll eventually request medical files if that's legal. Or they'll demand medical evidence of your health. Im surprised they dont already