Stop with the Autism Supremacy!
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Given all the negative associations now attached to the word, I think it's preferable to use delayed instead.
I realise that and when I was a kid people did call me ret*d....because I was rather different and they did not understand and they seemed to be of the mindset difference=ret*d and ret*d=someone deserving of mistreatment. That is not something I support but I see nothing wrong with using the term appropriatley. In the DSM mental retardation is referred to as such...not to make it insulting but because that is what the disorder is called.
What I'm tryng to get at is in the person to person and culture sense a disorder of any kind is not always important in all context. A person that has a depression disorder may want others to understand that they may become depressed and a person whom autism is applied to may want another person to realize some things about them. That to know a person however as intellectually different, developmentally disabled and so on is a kind of limiting way of understanding a person. When people are understood in the personable ways the negativity people are diagnosed with to have accommodation do not entirely define whom and what they are. When someone calls me autistic it's calling me a disorder (like calling someone a disease which others don't like) rather then seeing first the person I am regardless of some disorder label applied to help me.
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Ok well regardless of your personal bais mental disorders do exist...and a lot of times it is important to acknowledge this so people with these disorders have acces to help if they need it and so that help can be designed to fit the needs of people with a certain disorder. I mean we can not use a one size fits all approach to mental disorders.......I mean say one has mental retardation and depression? well a treatment designed for a depressed person without mental retardation would not do them much good.
I am actually taking psychology....and there is an empasis on reducing the stigma attatched to mental disorders, conditions and illnesses. If you see someone as a list of symptoms that is very limiting......but if you see them as a human being with certain symptoms pointing to certain disorders then they can be helped. I have not suggeted a disorder entirely defines a person...but it does effect the person usually.
Acknowledging someones disorder does not mean you think of them as less than a person.
Ok well regardless of your personal bais mental disorders do exist...and a lot of times it is important to acknowledge this so people with these disorders have acces to help if they need it and so that help can be designed to fit the needs of people with a certain disorder. I mean we can not use a one size fits all approach to mental disorders.......I mean say one has mental retardation and depression? well a treatment designed for a depressed person without mental retardation would not do them much good.
I am actually taking psychology....and there is an empasis on reducing the stigma attatched to mental disorders, conditions and illnesses. If you see someone as a list of symptoms that is very limiting......but if you see them as a human being with certain symptoms pointing to certain disorders then they can be helped. I have not suggeted a disorder entirely defines a person...but it does effect the person usually.
Acknowledging someones disorder does not mean you think of them as less than a person.
I do not believe bias is required to be non-relevant in the personable sense as we are speaking about emotions and stigma. If I was to accept being called a disorder which differs from simply happening to also have a label applied to me I'd reinforce in my life the stigma of the collective context of autism in all it's manifestations. In the socio and combined psychological sense which you might speak to one of your professors about when an individual consciously reinforces the idea of negativity toward their identity (self) it can indeed cause depression and otherwise. The context in which I am speaking is merely the difference between the identity of autistic as what might be conditioned compared to the more simpler and less complex association of simply being labeled as having autism which is less psychologically intrusive towards ones self-identity where applicable.
As far as others are concerned if they want to call themselves a disorder that is fine. However myself and others would simply like to not be prominently in identity considered a disorder. When someone is born a certain way it can also go a long way toward building self-confidence and positivity in ones life if the notion of a disorder were to be less prominent and more so secondary.
I can assure you I've had long discussions with individuals of very high qualifications in relevant fields with regards to this.
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Ok well regardless of your personal bais mental disorders do exist...and a lot of times it is important to acknowledge this so people with these disorders have acces to help if they need it and so that help can be designed to fit the needs of people with a certain disorder. I mean we can not use a one size fits all approach to mental disorders.......I mean say one has mental retardation and depression? well a treatment designed for a depressed person without mental retardation would not do them much good.
I am actually taking psychology....and there is an empasis on reducing the stigma attatched to mental disorders, conditions and illnesses. If you see someone as a list of symptoms that is very limiting......but if you see them as a human being with certain symptoms pointing to certain disorders then they can be helped. I have not suggeted a disorder entirely defines a person...but it does effect the person usually.
Acknowledging someones disorder does not mean you think of them as less than a person.
I do not believe bias is required to be non-relevant in the personable sense as we are speaking about emotions and stigma. If I was to accept being called a disorder which differs from simply happening to also have a label applied to me I'd reinforce in my life the stigma of the collective context of autism in all it's manifestations. In the socio and combined psychological sense which you might speak to one of your professors about when an individual consciously reinforces the idea of negativity toward their identity (self) it can indeed cause depression and otherwise. The context in which I am speaking is merely the difference between the identity of autistic as what might be conditioned compared to the more simpler and less complex association of simply being labeled as having autism which is less psychologically intrusive towards ones self-identity where applicable.
When did I say you should be referred to as a disorder........I have only implied there is no harm in acknowledging that someone with a disorder has a disorder. So referring to someone as a person with a disorder can be helpful.....defining them strictly by the disorder they have is not helpful...as every person is different so every person with a disorder is different as well. Everyone with depression is not an exact replica of me.....for instance.
getting rid of words that happen to have a stigma attatched to them does not fix things, getting rid of the stigma and using words disorder labels appropriatley is much more helpful. And yes it is true sometimes a diagnoses can come with depressed feelings.....especially if the indvididual blames themself for having a disorder or society promotes a negative stigma...hence the reason as I mentioned before there is a focus on getting rid of the stigmas attatched to mental disorders. being autistic means you have autism not that you are autism.
As far as others are concerned if they want to call themselves a disorder that is fine. However myself and others would simply like to not be prominently in identity considered a disorder. When someone is born a certain way it can also go a long way toward building self-confidence and positivity in ones life if the notion of a disorder were to be less prominent and more so secondary.
I can assure you I've had long discussions with individuals of very high qualifications in relevant fields with regards to this.
Again I am not suggesting people should be referred to as disorders.....and I would appreaciate it if you could quit putting those words in my mouth......I never said that.
I am not sure why your response is that way. I'm speaking about disorder labels and the identity affiliation. It's gone off topic a bit but still point being made is the more autism is transformed into an identity the more a subjective world-view might be altered by making hyper-relevant the negativity associated with the label and ones own unique self. Merely as an awareness mechanism the autistic identity once developed can alter world-views by merging the idea of autism as a broad concept toward the interpersonal or simply internal thought processes of an individual and his or her identity rather then simply something as in a concept applied to someone and made less internally associated with identity. More or less it's been used for politics namely abortion and has created hardship when individuals have been manipulated to think for biased political reasons they are worthless human beings. They they have been used to conflict with treatment rights advancements manifesting a world-view that at times implies more personable interpretations then intended such as for instance I am a puzzle verses autism is a puzzle which reflects merely some aspects comprised within individuals vs. the whole self. Unto a more complex and rare nature the puzzle had been transformed in some psychical manifestations as akin to and the same as Nazi symbolology in archetypal association in the psyche.
I am not sure if you are into this advanced material yet. Yet the bottom line is autism to me is simply a label applied to help me. I choose not to focus much on negatives and believe this has helped me achieve success. To me the label is both a good thing and bad thing which has created disruptions in some peoples lives.
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I have depression and it is not a matter of 'I may become depressed' its a matter of I am depressed most of the time. I do not see how knowing someone has a disorder or is different is limiting. It is only limiting if you try to define them by the disorder alone.....not if you are just aware.
And well usually when people call someone with autism autistic, or someone with depression depressed(not like it is their name of course) they are not trying to indicate the person is the disorder, just that they have the disorder.
I have depression and it is not a matter of 'I may become depressed' its a matter of I am depressed most of the time. I do not see how knowing someone has a disorder or is different is limiting. It is only limiting if you try to define them by the disorder alone.....not if you are just aware.
And well usually when people call someone with autism autistic, or someone with depression depressed(not like it is their name of course) they are not trying to indicate the person is the disorder, just that they have the disorder.
For you it is your fact in your life you are depressed most of the time. In my life if I am not optimistic I then focus on the smaller things and find hope in those things and keep pushing forward. That's me and not you and that is the unique existence we all have. Point being aside from depression as a disorder as their may be different coping mechanisms which have been suggested to you the more people focus on negatives in their lives as way of being the more the psyche is altered by those negatives and the more positive it also altered by positivity. Within reason both negatives and positives can formulate balance however my point is a disorder is about negativity and I simply do not focus on it and choose not to be declaring in association or even in entire identity a negative disorder label when I don't need to. It would likely make me feel compelled to redefine others understanding of autism so it would not make it all negative but truth be told everyone with autism is different and not all the proposed positivity fit well with the actual truth of individuals which has also been rebelled against. I'm simply outlining to you the origins of some negatively enforced thinking in association with identity (self) and it's potential influences deriving some of the fundamental where applicable sociological frameworks.
I'm still looking into another advocacy group because I think their approach might be better then mine rather then my writing papers.
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I have depression and it is not a matter of 'I may become depressed' its a matter of I am depressed most of the time. I do not see how knowing someone has a disorder or is different is limiting. It is only limiting if you try to define them by the disorder alone.....not if you are just aware.
And well usually when people call someone with autism autistic, or someone with depression depressed(not like it is their name of course) they are not trying to indicate the person is the disorder, just that they have the disorder.
For you it is your fact in your life you are depressed most of the time. In my life if I am not optimistic I then focus on the smaller things and find hope in those things and keep pushing forward. That's me and not you and that is the unique existence we all have. Point being aside from depression as a disorder the more people focus on negatives the more the psyche is altered by those negatives and the more positive it also altered by positivity. Within reason both negatives and positives can formulate balance however my point is a disorder is about negativity and I simply do not focus on it and choose not to be declaring in association or even in entire identity a negative disorder label. It would likely make me feel compelled to redefine others understanding of autism so it would not make it all negative but truth be told everyone with autism is different and not all the proposed positivity fit well with the actual truth of individuals which has also been rebelled against. I'm simply outlining to you the origins of some negatively enforced thinking in association with identity (self) and it's potential influences deriving some of the fundamental where applicable sociological frameworks.
I'm still looking into another advocacy group because I think their approach might be better then mine rather then my writing papers.
Alright well you are certianly entitled to not focus on negative is you do not want to......but for people really struggling with certain things ignoring those things and not trying to define them at all does not do a whole lot of good. So I still feel mental disorders should have labels in an attempt to design help that works for the specific disorders...
One major issue with depression is it impairs ones ability to focus on the positives.......and depending on the severity determines how possible it is for one to try to focus on more positives. Severe depression for most of my life and still going on makes it nearly impossible for me to be very optimistic. I also tend to feel the need to laugh when people say 'it gets better.' if it gets better why has everything gotten progressively worse not better? so then I end up having to deal with trying to cope with the fact it may not get better.
Well yes that is the balance and individualized coping mechanisms. One must be realistic with themselves too.
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Sweetleaf:
Look, I can't control what other people here say, but just because I like my neurology doesn't mean I hate anyone else's. To me, that's like equating feminism to manhating, or saying that marching in a gay pride parade means you think being straight is wrong. Honestly, I don't know why you're feeling that level of outrage over this.
By the way, when people are calling you autistic or depressive, they of course do not mean you are only someone who is autistic/depressive. But these labels are often used casually to distinguish you from others who do not have these same conditions, while the others may be labelled in less limiting ways- for example, "Sam the creative, Sarah the hilarious, Sid the autistic." Mentally, many people- including most of us- do this type of characterization all the time. The problem is that first of all, we know that imaginary Sid is many things in addition to autistic- he may also be creative or hilarious. But we will not know this, because his epithet relates to his neurology, not his personality. Also, since many people consider autism a disability, the reference to it and only it encourages most people to look at Sid as someone to be protected, taught, sympathized with, or cured. This will not happen with imaginary Sarah or Sam, because their descriptions are not disabilities in the same way that autism is considered to be. By the way, in case you were curious, the relationship of Sid with the world because of his label is called "I-it," by philosopher Martin Buber. Sid ceases to be considered a person by much of the world and becomes unequal, an object, considered passive. Sam and Sarah, meanwhile, have an "I-You" relationship- both are considered active and equal partners in their relationship to each other and the world.
"But I prove myself competent and equal every day; this wouldn't happen to me," you say. But in fact, it has probably happened several times already. This is the kind of thing people do unconsciously. Once people see you through the framework of a label, it's hard for you to change their minds based on their empirical observation of your behavior. Like autism, that's part of human evolution.
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Look, I can't control what other people here say, but just because I like my neurology doesn't mean I hate anyone else's. To me, that's like equating feminism to manhating, or saying that marching in a gay pride parade means you think being straight is wrong. Honestly, I don't know why you're feeling that level of outrage over this.
By the way, when people are calling you autistic or depressive, they of course do not mean you are only someone who is autistic/depressive. But these labels are often used casually to distinguish you from others who do not have these same conditions, while the others may be labelled in less limiting ways- for example, "Sam the creative, Sarah the hilarious, Sid the autistic." Mentally, many people- including most of us- do this type of characterization all the time. The problem is that first of all, we know that imaginary Sid is many things in addition to autistic- he may also be creative or hilarious. But we will not know this, because his epithet relates to his neurology, not his personality. Also, since many people consider autism a disability, the reference to it and only it encourages most people to look at Sid as someone to be protected, taught, sympathized with, or cured. This will not happen with imaginary Sarah or Sam, because their descriptions are not disabilities in the same way that autism is considered to be. By the way, in case you were curious, the relationship of Sid with the world because of his label is called "I-it," by philosopher Martin Buber. Sid ceases to be considered a person by much of the world and becomes unequal, an object, considered passive. Sam and Sarah, meanwhile, have an "I-You" relationship- both are considered active and equal partners in their relationship to each other and the world.
"But I prove myself competent and equal every day; this wouldn't happen to me," you say. But in fact, it has probably happened several times already. This is the kind of thing people do unconsciously. Once people see you through the framework of a label, it's hard for you to change their minds based on their empirical observation of your behavior. Like autism, that's part of human evolution.
Well I was not diagnosed with anything as a child.....so my depression, AS and anxiety made me lazy, whiney, over-sensitive, a psychopath and a number of other terrible things. I prefer being anxious, depressed and autistic than a lazy, whiney, over-sensitive, rude, psychopath(not that a psychopath would nessisarly be over-sensative). At least those things explain some of my issues without putting all the blame for it on me as well.
Mr. Leaf you are very hard on yourself.
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Sweetleaf, ci is absolutely right. You are too hard on yourself. And that is exactly why you are experiencing these problems., Self-doubt and self-pity feeding bad neuroses that then feed shame and helplessness that then feed self-doubt and self-pity.
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I think it would be Ms. Leaf, but its alright.....
And well that really started with others saying those things about me, I mean that is only a small sample of everything...but after a while of that when you are a child you do tend to start believing it and blaming yourself...especially when you have no idea there might be a valid reason you have certian differences so end up attributing it to just not being good enough.
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Sweetleaf, ci is absolutely right. You are too hard on yourself. And that is exactly why you are experiencing these problems., Self-doubt and self-pity feeding bad neuroses that then feed shame and helplessness that then feed self-doubt and self-pity.
If you where in my position you would probably be doing the same thing......and well I do not think, I am the cause of all my problems. I don't always pity myself....I mean I have kind of been doing that a bit lately but a lot of times I am just of the veiw life sucks and that's how it goes so no use dwelling on it.
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