The dark side of Aspergers: serial killers, sociopathy

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Hi -

I was browsing but Demonyte's post inspired me to register.

As someone who was diagnosed w/ Conduct Disorder at 16 (i believe that's the label assigned to juvenile psychopaths?) by a court shrink, I'd like offer my take on this pressing issue.

First, I disagree w/ him that you guys don't know what you're talking about. Sure, some of the posts are typical mainstream media regurgitations about serial killers, but a surprising number show refreshing insight. If demonyte wishes to see ignorant posts, he should visit some of the unintentionally hilarious Psychopath Victims Support forums.

I hate to disagree w/ my psychopathic brethren twice, but pardon, "all about upbringing"? Behavioral geneticists have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that psychopathy is overwhelming -- if not 100% -- hereditary. Perhaps your father is a psychopath and thus you're making an association w/ your upbringing? More worrying is your whole "sense of duty" schtick. If you care about your family (you have a family?! why?!), if you care about anyone other than you, that's cause for concern.

Perhaps you should consider visiting a cognitive behavior therapist? It sounds to me like you might not be psychopathic at all, rather raised in a strict military home and overtly hostile... but whatever.

Still, in my not-so-humble opinion, the rest of what he writes is pretty much spot on. Perhaps it just goes to show that extreme variance exists among all personality disorders. Speaking of which, when are they going to find a cure for this anyway? Can you imagine going through life without shame or guilt? It's a living horror, lemme tell you!

Believe it or not, I have NO dark impulse that compel me to kill, rape, or pillage. Never tortured little puppies. Never was violent toward anyone that didn't threaten me first. I "could" (not WILL officer, could) kill an innocent person. But so could almost anyone... Some 70 million people were killed by their governments during the 20th century and people worry about serial killers? Puh-leeze...

Some would counter that Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, et. al. were psychopaths, and they orchestrated the slaughter... I can't speak for every despot, but the three mentioned above, if their biographers were even partially correct, were NOT psychopaths. Rigid belief systems, paranoia, and irrational behavior are the antithesis of psychopaths. Hitler, in particular, was one odd duck... but he wasn't a psychopath.

In my view, the primary difference between myself and an NT (cute acronym btw; never heard that before) is that I'm honest w/ myself about my nature. If not constrained by overwhelming fear of law and/or rejection, 99% of the population would be rioting in the streets at the moment. Laws weren't created to protect society against psychopaths, laws protect society against it's own dark hidden nature.

I do agree that emotion is maladaptive. And by that I mean love, awe, wonder, intimacy, and all that other chick crap. Although I can feign those emotions (especially "LUV...", just ask my ex-girlfriends!), the only thing these emotions bring people is sadness and realization of their own insignificance. That and fruity sonnets.

Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I for one, DO feel emotion; in fact my hunger for excitement is insatiable. If your plane was hijacked, trust me, you'd be glad I was sitting in the seat next to you Boredom (another emotion, right?) is admittedly a downside, and the challenge of getting out of a jam like that would be fantastic. I guarantee there were an inordinate number of psychopaths on that flight that went down in PA on 9/11.

The media gives us NO respect! We don't even have our own forum where we can plot devious schemes... I tried to join the International Psychopath Association, and guess what? Not a psychopath in the whole lot of 'em... What a rip-off.

Seriously, for all the harm psychopaths do, it's mostly on an individual level. On balance, society enjoys a net GAIN. Counterintuitive, yes, but quite obvious once you look. It's not intentional, mind you, but we have a positive effect nonetheless. Yes, I find it amusing to emotionally toy with and manipulate people, but my profession requires some of that, and I'm good at what I do (no, i'm not an attorney... or a professional criminal).

Used judiciously, there's no downside to the traits of fearlessness, amorality, and contempt for social convention. The innate ability to conceal it, just helps prove that we're the engine that keeps evolution chugging along.

My tastes are simple, I want power -- lots of it. And you don't get power by screwing-up, you get it by excelling. For every Enron, there are a dozen GE's. Without psychopaths, humanity would be trapped in the middle-ages, pushing wooden carts of rotten tomatoes through the mud. Most people are appalled by risk, in business, war, or politics. The psychopath embraces it.

You'll be dead in 100 years. Act accordingly. Nothing -- not even getting caught -- is worse that what death will to do you.

I love my life. The wrecked lives I've left in my wake are just the perks. And despite media depictions of psychopaths as predators (tho I'm sure some are; Bundy, et. al.) people gravitate toward me. It's always been this way.

Some chick I lived with whose name I forget, said there was "something excessive and demonic" about me that was "darkly irresistible". Yeah, I guess when you're being crushed from all sides by innumerable neuroses, it must seem that way.

Personality disorder? Ha! Aside from being an egocentric, arrogant ass (which you'd never, ever suspect upon meeting me. truly.) I'm the most emotionally-stable person I know. Boredom, however, is a problem...

Christ, I got so wrapped-up in my own insufferable narcissism, I completely forgot why I came here in the first place. Duh. It's unrelated and beside the point now, but I suspect our CTO is slightly Aspergers. Very bright and highly analytical but somewhat... I dunno distant?

Remember the "Terminator" movies thru Arnold p.o.v.? He sees the world thru layers upon layers of binary code? That's how I imagine him seeing the world... If that makes sense... The thing is, his attitude is dispassionate with everyone, but positively cold toward me. My practiced personality is decidedly NOT used car salesman slick (you gotta forgive me, I did a lot of blow tonight). I'm especially earnest with him, but I get the feeling he sees through my mask, and that's disconcerting... that's all. Anyway, from what I read, it seems like my suspicions are groundless.

Whew... I feel like i just came out of a confessional! If you were bored and/or annoyed by my rambling, please, please know that I sincerely, truly, do not care.

It probably stems from the aparant lack of empathy autistics have and quite possibly they were abused in the past which a lot of autistic people seem to have been. Now they want revenge. Combine those two aspects and you have yourself a soithipath. Yes, I do think an autistic person could very well be a soithipath. But just becuase they are Autistic should not get them off the hook so easily.

I completely agree that autistics make good sociopaths.
Just look at brain structure and the statistics that correlate.

Well, this blog's strapline is "The Dark Side of Autism" www.the-newrepublic.blogspot.com . It's not propaganda. It's just the truth about what happened to one man. Better hope y'all don't run into him on a bad day...

I am really sick of this. These people do not represent the rest of the AS community.

COMPARING AUTISM WITH SOCIOPATHY

I spent a couple of years thinking about this because my corrupt perverted professor, Dennis Healy of the University of Maryland, College Park Math Department, was having an affair with a narcissistic sociopath who had multiple personality traits, a woman named Sabera Kazi. This woman was sleeping with at least 3 men in the building and had secret, compartmented affairs with them all. She was jealous of me, and singled me out and harassed and psychologically mistreated me for months while I complained to Dennis Healy about what his girlfriend was doing. Anyways, as part of her harassment (or should I say abusive codependent fixation), she would corner me and subject me to hours of pseudo-therapy sessions in which she unloaded self-obsessed monologues about her mental state and psychosexual history. After several months of this bizarre abuse, when no one else would believe me about what was going on, I had a meltdown (during the entire time I couldn't work and developed a stress disorder). It has taken me years to try to sort out the distressing horror show in my head that she filled me with, and I had to spend a lot of time studying sociopathy, etc.

Sociopaths who are Machiavellians are often also charismatics. They are able to craft personality traits and affect charm, using a toolkit of personality tools they carry around. They are quite glib and adaptable and many are slippery like chameleons, able to craft and project psychological abuses or leverage to use against others' vulnerabilities. They also have their own agendas, like private abuse drives and compulsions. Sociopathic bullies, for example, have been shown recently in MRI's to have areas of their brains light up when they observe someone suffering. So those bullies' brains are wired to take pleasure from the suffering of others. These traits are separate and apart from any anti-social traits.

Sociopaths and autistics share some traits. Those are described as a lack of empathy. In the area of social psychological development, sociopaths have an ability to interpret, understand and manipulate others via social interaction without identifying emotionally with others. In my opinion, it is the opposite with autistics. It is my experience that Asperger people are quite loving, sensitive and identify emotionally with others, but that they lack the ability to interpret, understand and manipuate others via social interaction. So the nature of the abnormal social empathy/emotional identification dysfunction, in sociopaths and Asperger people, is reversed, so to speak. In my opinion.

The above are just my own theories, which I am still working out, in an effort to troubleshoot and repair my own mind after being mistreated by a sociopathic narcissist bully and having her unload her mental problems into me. Unfortunately for me, my mind fixed on the mental problems and psychopathy she vented on me, as a "special interest" and I have been systemizing her social psychological disorders and social cognitive behaviors, which is kind of like a walk through a house of horrors. Still trying to recover.

Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

lots of autistic people may get treated horribly by society and their piers for many, many years...with this bitterness and isolation prevalent in their lives, i wouldn't be surprised if some of them turned out to be serial killers...heck i even thought about killing people when i was in the far depths of depression...

the difference with me is i'm too lazy to dispose of a body, lol x

Boy, will that crazy Alexandra girl who keeps posting those anti-Aspie YouTubes love these articles.

and we have thae smae with nts....so does that mean nts should be kileed off then?

[quote="Dark_Red_Beloved"]Let's consider the source:

The entire link is

http://www.autismwebsite.com/crimetimes/05c/w05cp13.htm

but if you delete everything after the .com...

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ <--click here

Well,

I'll let you draw your own conclusion...

:wink:[/quote]

now it takes you, the website, to http://www.autism.com/