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11 Feb 2010, 2:52 pm

[quote="Adolf"]My spiritual twin Adolf wasn't a big fan of Rothenberg paedagogics.[/quote]
What is [i]wrong[/i] with you?

Besides ASD, that is.

You support Hitler? He slaughtered millions of innocents because of their ethnicity. You agree with that?



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15 Feb 2010, 9:19 pm

When I read the OP I had a hard time believing this. I thought maybe it was exaggerated. Then I researched. And my apology for having any doubt against the OP---this place is for real. That is disgusting. I thought this type of treatment had disappeared with the psychiatric hospital treatments up into the 1950's and possibly 1960's in America.


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15 Feb 2010, 11:53 pm

The animals at my local humane society are treated better this. I'm surprised the state puts up with this.



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16 Feb 2010, 11:15 am

This has been ruled perfectly legal, that's where the name comes from. Judge Rotenberg ruled that "adversive" therapy was allowed. They were once ruled abusive but the response was basically not to do anything. It was the legal equivalent of a talking to. Glider, I don't blame you. When I first heard about it I thought it sounded too extreme for reality. Apparently it isn't. I blame the "autistic community's" (which, as we all know, seems to exclude actual autistics other than the extremely low functioning, stereotypical ones) propaganda that paints autistics as subhuman monsters who bring misery to families and must be cured at all costs.



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16 Feb 2010, 1:39 pm

i think that any therapy should be tested on a mentaly sane person first. if a mentaly sain person doesnt become cripled under the amount of rules and regulations it might actualy be worth trying on people that are in some way disabled. that being said i think most ways to change how people act should be only used when these people are a great danger to their suroundings (purposly excluding thereselfs). this reminds me a lot of a book one flew over the cookooks nest by ken kensly. ow and about hex. cant remember who wrote that one. it is a terible place i think there should be some way to protest against it although i think just demolishing it after taking the "students" out would be better.



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16 Feb 2010, 1:45 pm

i think that any therapy should be tested on a mentaly sane person first. if a mentaly sain person doesnt become cripled under the amount of rules and regulations it might actualy be worth trying on people that are in some way disabled. that being said i think most ways to change how people act should be only used when these people are a great danger to their suroundings (purposly excluding thereselfs). this reminds me a lot of a book one flew over the cookooks nest by ken kensly. ow and about hex. cant remember who wrote that one. it is a terible place i think there should be some way to protest against it although i think just demolishing it after taking the "students" out would be better.



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16 Feb 2010, 2:06 pm

This is the western world. 21st century. Will everyday people even care about this?

Where is this world going...?



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16 Feb 2010, 2:10 pm

Day Walker, I have to say that such a test would be horrible and cruel. We can't in good conscience do something like that to someone else. However, I would like a test to be used on the creator of the method. If they know their methods will be used on them they will be pushed to be humane and kind to people who they are treating.



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16 Feb 2010, 3:20 pm

Their website is made in Frontpage, by the way - or it was, last time I checked. Probably couldn't afford professional coding...

If the government won't shut it down, then we don't simply need direct action; we need a revolution against a government that would allow such a thing to exist.



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16 Feb 2010, 5:07 pm

Magneto wrote:
Their website is made in Frontpage, by the way - or it was, last time I checked. Probably couldn't afford professional coding...

If the government won't shut it down, then we don't simply need direct action; we need a revolution against a government that would allow such a thing to exist.


Exactly. Any recruits?


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17 Feb 2010, 1:42 am

aziraphale wrote:
This is a horrible "school" where they torture juveniles on the autistic spectrum as well as sometimes people with other issues such as ADHD, bipolar, PTSD and Asperger's. They give very painful electric shocks for even the most minor offenses like swearing and sometimes they play awful mind games like ordering a person to disobey the rules and then shocking hir if si doesn't do it and shocking hir more if si doesn't do it. Originally they beat the patients with spatulas, pinched their feet and made them inhale ammonia. They stopped that when they realized that the patients got used to it over time. The patients now spend all their time hooked up to a sort of backpack with electrodes on their skin so they can be shocked. The school claims that this is the only way to help the severely autistic. Even if that were true, which I highly doubt, most of the juveniles there are on the higher functioning end. The courts have repeatedly ruled in their favor after attempts at shutting them down, though they have now been found abusive and given a slap on the wrist. Basically they said "Okay, you can still torture kids, but try not to kill any this time." That's right, people have died here. In fact, when one reporter visited the school she interviewed a very obviously coached girl in the presence of many supervisors. A little girl quickly held up a paper that said "help us." She did this at considerable risk since she was probably caught by the security camera and in blatant violation of logic they will shock students if they find out they misbehaved via camera. I am not making this up. This is something right out of the 19th century. Something really needs to be done. I'm just not sure what. :-/
this is one of the most sickening things i have ever heard of and thats saying alot



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17 Feb 2010, 12:25 pm

Roxas_XIII wrote:
Magneto wrote:
Their website is made in Frontpage, by the way - or it was, last time I checked. Probably couldn't afford professional coding...

If the government won't shut it down, then we don't simply need direct action; we need a revolution against a government that would allow such a thing to exist.


Exactly. Any recruits?

Well, there's me...



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17 Feb 2010, 12:43 pm

Direct action is good, but I'm not sure how we would do it now that we announced it on a public website. >=( Regarding Adolph, the guy is just a troll. Ignore him and he will give up. And Hitler was definitely not autistic. He was capable of manipulating an entire nation while the average aspie can't manipulate a person. He was a psychopath and he would have slaughtered us in the camps.



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17 Feb 2010, 1:42 pm

What we must do before any action is considered is to research this school to see exactly what is going on.


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17 Feb 2010, 2:12 pm

darthbrandon wrote:
aziraphale wrote:
This is a horrible "school" where they torture juveniles on the autistic spectrum as well as sometimes people with other issues such as ADHD, bipolar, PTSD and Asperger's. They give very painful electric shocks for even the most minor offenses like swearing and sometimes they play awful mind games like ordering a person to disobey the rules and then shocking hir if si doesn't do it and shocking hir more if si doesn't do it. Originally they beat the patients with spatulas, pinched their feet and made them inhale ammonia. They stopped that when they realized that the patients got used to it over time. The patients now spend all their time hooked up to a sort of backpack with electrodes on their skin so they can be shocked. The school claims that this is the only way to help the severely autistic. Even if that were true, which I highly doubt, most of the juveniles there are on the higher functioning end. The courts have repeatedly ruled in their favor after attempts at shutting them down, though they have now been found abusive and given a slap on the wrist. Basically they said "Okay, you can still torture kids, but try not to kill any this time." That's right, people have died here. In fact, when one reporter visited the school she interviewed a very obviously coached girl in the presence of many supervisors. A little girl quickly held up a paper that said "help us." She did this at considerable risk since she was probably caught by the security camera and in blatant violation of logic they will shock students if they find out they misbehaved via camera. I am not making this up. This is something right out of the 19th century. Something really needs to be done. I'm just not sure what. :-/
this is one of the most sickening things i have ever heard of and thats saying alot


Jeez some people are just despicable.



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17 Feb 2010, 3:35 pm

Is there anyone who has actually researched much on this school so that we can weigh facts from assumptions? I have been giving a lot of thought to this situation, but feel a bit helpless because I would love to hear from someone who has had firsthand experience with this school. Perhaps some of you know of such a person.


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