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I can really take her seriously over any type of serious PR project on any disorder. I mean, someone who's more known for being the flake on Singled Out and her more raunchy stuff than her serious side? Heck, maybe she'll do one on STDs next!

Sorry, but I feel that someone who promotes that one shouldn't vaccinate their children because of the risk of Autism being at 1.9% is a bit sketchy and is likely having her political strings pulled by someone.

I hope you guys won't mind if I put my two cents here.

I don't have enough data to say definitely whether or not vaccines "cause" ASD. However, I have a weird relationship with measles. I cannot develop an immunity to measles. I've been vaccinated for it god knows how many times, but both pregnancies, the tests for measles immunity came back as me NOT having an immunity to measles. I've had many types of measles as a child. I had vaccinations for Rubella and red measles as a child. I was again with MMR when I worked in a hospital when I was 18. After my first child, I was AGAIN vaccinated because during the pregnancy, I was not immune. When I was pregnant again with my second child, the tests AGAIN showed I was not immune. My OB was puzzled -- "Didn't you get vaccinated before you left the hospital after you had Maia?" Yes, I was and here I was again...no immunity.

I think the original study that came out -- the damning thing about the MMR wasn't the Thimerisol...it was that the measles strain that we are vaccinated with are found in the spinal fluid of people on the spectrum. I think our bodies process the components of the vaccine differently than the physiology of a NT.

I'm not worried about it "causing" autism. Rather, I'm more worried about us developing MS, Parkinsons, or other problems with the central nervous system BECAUSE our bodies do not dissipate the components of the vaccine and our bodies have different immunological responses to it than NTs do....that our bodies are processing measles strain differently than NTs do BECAUSE we were born with autism. I don't believe that it is the cause but I think having the measles strain sit in our CNS for who knows how long does other forms of damage to our bodies.

The thought of it really frightens me and I've been seriously thinking about doing a measles detox on myself to get any residual MMR vaccine crap out of my body so it won't cause other conditions later.

I've been given TB shots and I don't have any immunity. The nurse thought it was weird, she thought I made up that I had a shot, but cold be me or could be bad shots, because I remember in school when we had the test to see if we needed more shots, they thought a lot would not need it, but actually only one didn't need to.

I know someone that does not have autism who had rubella 3 times.

In EU I think mercury isn't allowed since when we had the swine flu shot and that had mercury, people were upset since it was allowed even if it was against the law.

It's really strange that a celebrity has a say just because they are a celebrity. Bizarre really, but people seem to think it is in order.

I was vaccinated with MMR and I came down with vaccine induced Measles and the doctor confirmed it when I was a kid.

They vaccinated me with Prevnar and guess what my body didn't make any antibodies so all I got was horrible side effects and all for NOTHING

I just don't think vaccines are safe, not because I think they cause autism, but because I think we just don't really know about the long-term effects on our population as a whole. I'm not far from believing that they do cause other things...maybe cancer, maybe MS, maybe Parkinsons...this is a personal belief.

Think about it...Big Pharma, who makes the vaccines, has absolutely no incentive to keep us well. The more sick we get, the more Big Pharma becomes...and I think that's what I don't trust.

I'm not comfortable with giving these vaccine cocktails to babies. Again, I do not believe they will "make" the babies autistic BUT I do believe that some babies will have reactions to being exposed to THAT MANY things all at once. It made me uncomfortable when they put 3 things into the vaccines (Diptheria/Polio/Tetanus or Measles/Mumps/Rubella) but when they want to put *7* things into one vaccine like they're moving to do (because Big Pharma can sell one vaccine with more components to the health care system for more money) -- it makes me believe that they don't have the end-user's best interest in mind...and that just doesn't sit right with me.

Not all vaccines are 100% safe. But it's a greater good to be vaccinated than to suffer from diseases.
A small percent of people may have reactions to vaccines but mostly no.

It turns out that Jenny's son might not be autistic, after all and she still wants to be the voice for autism. She's not really a voice, at all. She's more like a really bad rap song.

Man this can be such a controversial subject. I don't often weigh in at all on this topic, but every now and then...

Part of the reason I don't is because, oddly (for an Autistic anyway) I do see both sides of the issue, and for some reason, because of that, I seem to end up getting slammed by one or both sides of these issues. It gets tiresome, so I don't do this very often. That said:

I have managed to reach a few, if temporary, conclusions:

Jenny Mccarthy: Probably loves her son very much. Believes her son's Autism was caused by mercury in vaccines. Believes she's "cured" her son of Autism with diet changes among other things.

My opinion of Jenny Mccarthy: I don't have one. She may not totally understand Autism. I think her motives are mainly love for her son, and possibly may believe that all Autism can be cured by what she did with him. I don't know anything other than a couple of short interviews with her. I think if she really thinks her methodology will cure all Autism, she's more than likely dead wrong. It probably worked for her son. Whether or not he "really" had Autism is debatable, and depends on what, exactly, you consider Autism to be.

Vaccines: Haven't seen one reliable study yet that proves beyond doubt that Vaccines, or the mercury contained in them has ever caused Autism. Have only seen one report in detail that was clearly flawed, reaching conclusions the statistics did not support.

My opinion: Mercury is poison. Period. The studies I've seen may not have proven they caused any Autism, but no studies have proven they haven't either. We ARE surrounded daily by toxic chemicals, and for the most part, no one really knows what they are doing or not doing to us.

What IS Autism?: Well, yes, there is a set of symptoms, which, if you have the correct combination of them, you can be DX'd with Autism. However, no cause has ever been identified, and therefore no cure. The whole CONCEPT of Autism began as a somewhat identifiable set of personality traits often associated with various mental problems and personality types. The term itself originally referred to a withdrawn state of mind, focus on one's self, as if lost in one's own world, while not physically removed from it.

"The term autism originally referred to a basic disturbance in schizophrenia, in short, an extreme withdrawal of oneself from the fabric of social life, but not excluding oneself." ~ Source

Therefore, "Autism" as a concept wasn't originally a disorder unto itself, but a symptom that could present in conjunction with known existing disorders.

Is it possible that toxins present in our environment could cause symptoms like that? I think it's entirely possible. Is it a given? No! But it is possible. Is it also possible that toxins present in vaccines could, in combination with other toxins, present in the body of a person sensitive to them, could cause Autistic symptoms? Yes, it is possible. There certainly isn't any PROOF to the contrary. But, this also doesn't mean it's proven. Just possible.

IF, I say IF, Autistic symptoms can possibly be caused by toxins, is it possible that Autism might present in a person suddenly, never previously having been observed in that person. Yes. It's POSSIBLE.

Now, the big question. Is it possible there may be different causes for Autism, some of which present suddenly and can be remedied, and others of which we are born with, and have for the rest of our lives?

I say, yes. It is possible, because even though Autism has been labeled as a disorder, it is STILL just as much of a concept, a body of symptoms for which the cause is unknown, as it EVER was.

I try to keep my mind open to all possibilities, until they are proven to be IMpossible. I think there very well could be cases of temporary Autism, caused by unknown elements, that maybe can be "cured" or at least the symptoms alleviated, by diet, lifestyle changes, whatever. I also think there IS a form of Autism that is either genetically caused, or the cause of which will never be known, that one is born with, and has for life. Whether the latter is truly a disorder, a grossly misunderstood personality type, or a neurological misfiring or hard wiring of the brain, I have no idea. Neither does anyone else yet.

All I know is that it is POSSIBLE there could be truth, at least some truth, in all sides of every argument on these topics. That's all I seek.

eh the easy solution is to remove it from Vaccines...