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17 Dec 2010, 6:26 pm

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you might call me a hippie,but im not.hippies want everyone to get along.i have seen a lot of the other websites on politics of disabilty.dont you think people with physical disabilties hog the disability movement for themselves and ignore people with developmental disabilties.not to long ago i saw a mocking condecending post at the expense of people with downs syndrome by wheelchairs users on a disability forum.that happens all the time to people with autism and other developmental disabilties.i think all people whether there curbies or pride mites should stick together because the disabled comunity in general
has negative views of everyone with developmental disabilities


I think we will find anything negative no matter with whom. My job is to analytically understand all sides no matter the disability and or bias. I know a person in a wheelchair and he is an advocate in my area. None of this horse pooh is relevant. Any attacks from one leader to another with differing disability typologies is reckless, immature and will be handled accordingly by those of the same disability type.

No more horse pooh folks. The quality of life, futures and hopes of people with disabilities rest on the actions of leaders and leadership requires a high standard in ethics.

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17 Dec 2010, 9:09 pm

i was not attacking anyone.it seemed like lately there been much infighting in the as world on politics.cure/pride.i was just saying we should not fight among us.we should sapport each other.i did not say all physicaly disabled people hate all people with developmental disabilities.how was anything i said any more atackative than anything you guys were saying about each other.



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17 Dec 2010, 9:13 pm

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i was not attacking anyone.it seemed like lately there been much infighting in the as world on politics.cure/pride.i was just saying we should not fight among us.we should sapport each other.i did not say all physicaly disabled people hate all people with developmental disabilities.how was anything i said any more atackative than anything you guys were saying about each other.


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I was commenting with regard to your comments not you yourself less you had been. It's a generic statement. I do not know much about ASAN but I did see a video of him talking about people in wheelchairs. These comparison arguments are fruitless and running low on steam.

It's more then about getting along. People that are walking, able to goto college and make up bunch of fuss need a reality check and I am much obliged to deliver it. Change of direction folks for those isolated, without hope and just want their own part in the world that cannot do so without help.

Rhetoric ends, facts begin and the shift begins. Check Yo Selves hooyaa..

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17 Dec 2010, 9:39 pm

i was not making a comparison statement.and i only used wheelchair users as an example.on internet forums people with disabilities make negative statement about the non disabled world all the time and its no big deal.so on a autism site why not say what you think.not all,just a very few make fun of us.why not critisize back once in a while.the whole point is lets stop political wars on autism sites it doesnt get us anywhere



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17 Dec 2010, 9:48 pm

I've been saying that. That's why I am doing the most complex, philosophical and strategic political attitude adjustment by and for those with autism. You know there is allot of innocent people with autism and other developmental disabilities that have no idea of this online horse pooh. I think folks ought to stop thinking so much about little words like "cure" especially when they are able to become professors, drive and function in the world. The true human rights violation is people that are that high functioning distracting from those who are not included and feeling all up-tight, righteous and persecuted because they have it so good when others are left out. I think they are special interest and in the way.

This what I am going to do is very fun. It begins January 15th with one hell of an initial burst of ads on 3 content networks like google, yahoo and Microsoft under many different autism terminologies. Why don't you invite some folks here and we can talk about it. I think these very high functioning people need a stern kick in the bum metaphorically despite thinking they don't get metaphor to excuse creative interpretation techniques in rhetoric. I bet I can out argue a PHD in rhetoric with my natural gift in Abstract Reasoning.

I am very entertained.



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18 Dec 2010, 1:49 am

you make good points your arguments are good.i still dont see why your so critical of my remarks they were acurate sincere and no more negative than anyhing else posted on forum.i would say if you want more awareness for non verbal autistics and other developmental disabilities tell that to the world and the main stream disabled comunity.most aspie's,hfa's and nvld's are very aware and thoughtful of people with a more severe handicap.and i think you know that.i would say to the pride mites preach autistic pride to the world and the mainstream disabled comunity.dont get upset with parents of autistic children.the best way to suceed is to unite and organize.



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18 Dec 2010, 1:55 am

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you make good points your arguments are good.i still dont see why your so critical of my remarks they were acurate sincere and no more negative than anyhing else posted on forum.i would say if you want more awareness for non verbal autistics and other developmental disabilities tell that to the world and the main stream disabled comunity.most aspie's,hfa's and nvld's are very aware and thoughtful of people with a more severe handicap.and i think you know that.i would say to the pride mites preach autistic pride to the world and the mainstream disabled comunity.dont get upset with parents of autistic children.the best way to suceed is to unite and organize.


You are thinking I am speaking directly of your remarks. The strategy I would like to undertake is one of non-malicious-assumption. I'd like to assume that people never intended I and others were puzzles. I want to assume first that cure means people want to help me have a better life. When people say they want to get rid of autism it means they want to make me and others very happy. The anger is not constructive and people want to control things that are not theirs and I don't necessarily trust them (those that protest). I don't trust other people because they have a disability or difference like me. They have to earn that trust like I had to with the public around me and not use being offended as a means of justification and creating hard feelings when the world does not hate them.

So again as I usually accomplish what I want I ask others invite this ASAN here for a pow-wow. Pride is a foolish thing at times. This pride differs from sports pride. This pride in the autism community at times is destructive, arrogance and not just about acceptance and self-esteem which here the professionals around me for the most part never try to say I am defective or shouldn't exist. I think people are spreading lies and I don't trust them. You have to earn that.



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18 Dec 2010, 3:09 am

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The strategy I would like to undertake is one of non-malicious-assumption. I'd like to assume that people never intended I and others were puzzles. I want to assume first that cure means people want to help me have a better life. When people say they want to get rid of autism it means they want to make me and others very happy.


I think this is a great approach. I think it works better than a divisive approach. A divisive approach usually just stirs the pot and makes things worse. If you are upset at someone, an organization, or a few people from the organization, a divisive approach may make you feel better, but I don't think it is the best way to achieve the commendable goals that you have.

I think you have brought many interesting, controversial topics, to the table and brought in points of view that may allow people to see the things you would like them to understand. You've mentioned positivity in many of your posts. I believe it's a good direction to head in. A divisive approach usually results in additional negativity and accomplishes little in the way of constructive results.



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18 Dec 2010, 3:34 am

Oh I would never sink to the level of creating bridges over troubled waters to then burn the bridges. I am trying to instigate change. Once I grab their attention things will change. I am very good at my job.

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18 Dec 2010, 2:24 pm

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I think folks ought to stop thinking so much about little words like "cure" especially when they are able to become professors, drive and function in the world. The true human rights violation is people that are that high functioning distracting from those who are not included and feeling all up-tight, righteous and persecuted because they have it so good when others are left out.


Those of us that are so high functioning still have difficulties. I don't know how I would of gotten through university if it wasn't for disability support for instance. It would of been a lot harder. Also keep in mind that some people with Asperger's find it hard to even hold down a job even though they are higher up in the spectrum. Even when we talk about those lower down on the spectrum with more severe disability, there seems to be a wide range of ability and disability within the autism spectrum. So even talking about high and low functioning can be a bit blurred at times.



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18 Dec 2010, 2:47 pm

Yes but the very high functioning able to goto protest are no monopoly of opinion. It seems oppressive to assume protesters are the embodiment of all those with autism agreeing with them. There is no democratic process in ASAN and no validity of a network claiming to be those with autism if not all can be, are part of and or are even allowed for reasons of vague values to be part of it politically. The organization is flawed as I said and does not speak for me.

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18 Dec 2010, 5:22 pm

also not everyone with aspergers,hfa or nvld goes to college.i never went to college even though my parents could have aforded it.i never even went to high school.i spent my entire childhood in institutions run by massachusetts dept. of social services.where are you getting this notion its easy to be a aspie or high functioning autie.where do you get this notion that we dont care about non verbal autistics.i also have had a lot of friends with downs and other developmental disablities



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18 Dec 2010, 5:39 pm

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also not everyone with aspergers,hfa or nvld goes to college.i never went to college even though my parents could have aforded it.i never even went to high school.i spent my entire childhood in institutions run by massachusetts dept. of social services.where are you getting this notion its easy to be a aspie or high functioning autie.where do you get this notion that we dont care about non verbal autistics.i also have had a lot of friends with downs and other developmental disablities


I am like you but I like psychological babble. However that does not mean I embrace institutionalism because where I live the Lanterman Act assures community inclusion and with intent of preventing and even creating a bridge to the outside world for those in institutions. I to have advocated about the bad treatment at times within those places. However I'm never quick to assume everything about them is innately "evil".

While this issues you mentioned are not small issues to include them in the pride problems of this topic as a whole does not outweigh in my theory more positive results with a different strategy. I think the issues you mentioned are important and I think laws do protect people in these situations. However if having been in an institution is the root to conflict it is not fair for other non-relating issues to be countered. So this issue as a whole is very complex and I will pick it apart to protect very valid advocacy like yours.



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20 Dec 2010, 12:17 am

It appears my little mission was successful and now there will be no campaign. Good the money will go into jobs for others.



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03 Jan 2011, 8:35 am

I admit to being a pride mite. Without us pride mites, all of us who are on the spectrum wouldn't be alive, right now. We would have all been aborted, instead. Is that a good thing, or a bad thing. To me, it's a bad thing.


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