Autism Extremism - Deprogramming Propagandistic Ideologies

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Thank god as your circular reasoning propaganda ran it's course.

A person with no legs can happily function in society and should not be discriminated against or patronized too or treated as inferior or defective. However were he given the opportunity to grow new legs he would take it and he would certainly not try to stop medical science from developing these new functioning legs of his.

Finally someone who agrees but I think most do. Just this fuzzy logic stuff loosing translations and the stories in depictions.

This all comes down to different apples. It has nothing to do with oranges in proper context.

i dont agree with your extreme depiction of autism speaks or maybe you were just making fun of the asan,i take everything t literaly.i would never compare autism speaks to nazi's.the parents at autism speaks i believe they do care even if there misguided and i do think there misguided.i guess the only way to deprogram is to speak out against it

i guess i miss read your post,you never mentioned autism speaks.however i think the asan and autism should be boycotted until they can grow up and cooperate with each other

I live in Scotland and I haven't come across the philosophy or societal paradigm that you mention.

My son has a diagnosis of Asperger's and receives support from Speech and Language and Occupational Therapists to help him with specific difficulties he has. His school have always been great with him, and they are sure that he will be able to achieve his potential. No one has ever made negative or pitying comments about him or his diagnosis. He has met only with understanding, support and accommodations as required.

A friend from church told me the other day that one of her son's friends was recently diagnosed with Asperger's at the age of 40. He now receives support and assistance that he didn't have before, including moving from the parental home into supported accommodation where he is helped to live more independently. In addition, he is receiving support with work and training.

Neither my son nor this man have been met with attitudes which say that they are "wrong" in any way. Instead, their particular, individual differences and problems are recognised and they are provided with the support and assistance they need.

I understand the OP's argument and I agree with it. There is a lot of scaremongering and exaggeration on autism forums and this seems to result in a kind of siege mentality which I don't think is positive or accurate.

i dont think she is the real issue here.
all she said is that the mentality that autism is a disability hurts people, just like the mentality that all cures/treatments are bad, hurt people.

this is a way too complicated situation for all of us, so there will be no clear cut solution or single right answer, what works for one may not work for another.

i know i need help with managing my sleep cycles but besides that i can handle myself pretty well in a society tolerant enough to diversity, i have done it before on several occasions, in several diferent places and situations.

for me the mentality that some people in denmark have, is actually hurting my life quality more than the lack of any treatment or cure that is realistically possible, that is where the real issue lies.
that is why i dont like the idea of some of the political groups pushing for a cure, they legitimize the view that all people with an ASD actually need a cure.

ci, I've read all the posts so far. I'm guessing that you are not fully cognisant of the fact that many organisations looking for a 'cure' don't consult with any people on the Autistic Spectrum and in some cases actively suppress real Autistics.

A real cure can't be found if people who are supposed to be treated aren't even consulted. When people are schizophrenic people ask and make sure that the meds work but for some reason there are people that feel people on the Autistic Spectrum shouldn't be treated likewise. A person with ADHD is not just plonked on meds, they are asked if it works for to improve their lives.

ci, I would love if the world was working the way you think it works but at the moment people working to find a 'cure' generally aren't asking us anything, they're making assumptions about us. I don't want a cure for myself but if they were actually asking any of us I would fully support your desire for a cure.

Everyone has the right to ask for what the percieve they need but no one has the right to force anyone else to do it just because they want it.

Also, organisations have no right to speak for those they don't listen to or actively suppress.

your right in a perfect world,some people may not always be able to articulate there own best interest.i coulnt when i was young

I didn't really read these posts word for word but it sounds like one is addressing the mentality while another is addressing why a cure would make sense, correct me if I'm wrong. I understand why some would oppose to the mentality that Bethie is unsupportive of. On the other hand, I understand why some feel there is a need for a cure. LostAlien is making a lot of sense. He/She (I didn't look at the profile, so I can't know for sure) is saying that it's wrong for organizations to simply start research if the population they are addressing has no voice. I see the validity of all your opinions.

If researchers or whatever want to find a cure, then all power to them. However, they can't just do so without input from the affected population (autistics. Researchers need to check in to see if its working, if the population would want a cure, to see how the treatments affects these people). It's also up to the members of that population to decide if they would want to receive a cure as well as how they define it. Would it be to rid themselves of unfavorable symptoms such as sensitivity issues while keeping their assets or would it be to neurologically rewire them completely?

I think it's hard for individuals with autism who do want a cure to actually have a voice with all of the bullying and propaganda. Being called names, called one of them (the N.T's) and so on really does not help the cause of attempted dictatorship on the issue that typically is obliging other political agenda's in mainstream politics such as removing womens rights to know and so on. My goal is to lay way for reasonable and constructive conversation. Human rights evasion due to "belief" are not satisfactory nor is having a cure for autism limited for other issues. If someone does not want certain kinds of research conducted when it has nothing to do with their specific body when another chooses for it to be conducted there is a fundamental conflict especially with that kind of research lawfully and estranged political tactics being used in desperation to remove rights seem evident.

By deprogramming the politically conditioned persecutory complexes I create more formal and respectful means to communicate with different sides. Since autism is not written on someones forehead for instance a population is not being stigmatized in the traditional sense. However the treatment is assumed as an option created and is not malicious in the traditional model of treatment. It is other political interest in spite of the law that is already clear that states folks have the right not to receive treatment as well and tend to use I don't need a cure approach in spite of this right as well.

I just don't see why it's so important that a cure for autism mentality must be subjective to the point of saying some people do not want a cure or think a cure for certain individuals shouldn't be developed. A cure simply implies chosen modification for perceived hardship.

Being witness to the politics for some years and the tactics someone is going to have to be really clear with me to persuade me cure research public relations because of impeding ethical violations of human rights must provide clarification. I am sure some assumptions of me would likely piss me off from the cure agenda but I just choose not to pay attention to it. I see this as more a legal matter and people want to help and not hurt people born with what establishment views as a disability goin from very mild to severe and substantial.

In general organizations seem to speak for children of members and the representation of autism is simply that of a disability classification. It would be impossible for organizations to get a vote from all people with autism in order to say anything at all especially if they are not imposing any violation of the law on me personally or seeking to modify my anatomy without asking for consent. What is already built into the law and is assumption is human rights regarding treatment, modification and so on. Folks looking to improve the diversity of choices for said treatments potentially leading to cure by means of treatment are improving human right choices.

I like being the devils advocate because I get to home in my technical approaches on issues.

The issue was a matter of cure in context to autism as a disability because something that is not a disability does not need a cure as an option. The strategy was to make what was clearly an apple into an orange as well. Since there is little scientific bases to the foundation of an apple also being an orange such as autism not being a disability within confines of the classification models of psychopathology or what is perceived as autism or autism like being the same as the autism(s) that are a disability it was simply mal-productive from the get go. It just does not seem to me that when what is claimed to be autism or what might as well be autism to that is not need of a cure dictate to those that choose cure how autism should be viewed by the autisms that would benefit from more treatment choices with the ultimate outcome of a cure. Remember neurology may be innate and a cure cannot change that in physical structure but the symptoms may be fully remedied that hinder substantial function.

I think what should be said by cure autism organizations is "cures" instead of simply cure. Differing substantial symptoms each need individual cures.

and we already had a whole thread discussing it

i am not against ANY treatments, nor would i be against a "full cure" if it was ever possible.
what i dont like is the mentality many of the political groups put forth, as it is either black or white.
in the eyes of everyone that doesnt have an ASD these views skew how they look on the people involved.
at one point i was walking down the street, an amnesty international volunteer tried engaging me in a conversation, so i stopped and 5 minutes of dreadfull smalltalk later i had been cornedered into telling about my AS.
his reaction was "you are not gonna stab me or something, right?" and the way he said it made it even worse, yes he was one of many, yes he was ignorant, but if all "normal" people see is a lot of cure talk and a lot of propaganda(from both sides, mind you), then we really cant get a realistic view on this issue.

to me there is no such thing as pro-cure/anti-cure, only people.