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20 Mar 2011, 6:07 am

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ci, you're depressing me. Fight the groups that don't allow any Autistics to have a voice before you attack those who have found self acceptance. I'm glad that I'm me, exactly as I am and there are many other people on the Autistic Spectrum who feel the same.

I accept the fact you're not happy with yourself and that there are others that feel similarly to you but please fight the people who don't listen to anyone on the Autistic Spectrum first before you attack people who are proud to be themselves exactly as they are.

People are people, NT or Aspie alike. It is the lack of acceptance that hurts most of us (regardless of neurology). People who look different are hurt when they are rejected because of how they look, people who have different religious beliefs are hurt when they are rejected and I could go on and on.

The fact of neurodiversity doesn't make a life easier but it is a fact. Trying to say "no, it's a disease or disability" is not true. It's genetic, part of the many differences in the DNA strand. Brain scans have shown that our brains are actually wired differently than other peoples.

Where I live I run the show of my advocacy. Acceptance is not a good thing if you say autism is not a disability. It seems a bit off. I like the neurodiversity concept but like I've said before it's riddled with political intrusions like abortion politics. I was going to use the term in awareness reaching tens of thousands and still can. I am at conflict with using it.

Also I am content with who and what I am. That I am that I am of course. Yet I also believe in improving aspects of me because I am not perfect like any other human being. I think like I've experienced where I live people with autism (you say autistics) and I'd say people like me that were given a label will be included more and more into organizations. I have no problem with meeting and being part of organizations in the way I want here and I wouldn't expect to automatically be included in national organizations because they are big and far away..

When I view the war on autism or a cure for autism I don't view it as changing my wiring. I think of it as improving aspects of myself called symptoms. Research may help with my sensory overload for instance. The war on autism I don't believe is a way against my individuality but the adverse things I experience as a result of the disability I was born with.

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20 Mar 2011, 6:10 am

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But the "label" only implies negative things if we let it. This whole thing against autism pride only makes it easier for autism to be portrayed as a negative thing - the whole point of the pride movement is to take away the negative connotations from autism.

I understand and agree. But by making the autism label a food thing instead of the negative thing I fear people will not understand I need help. If I tell you why I need help I feel I'd be rejected, called pity and so on. There is allot of wrong things in pride advocacy I just cannot agree with because of the things said. I just don't trust the autism pride approach.

Lots of people need help, doesn't mean they need pity or that there's anything wrong with them. No man is an island and all that.

Pity is being overused. I think pity is the wrong word. Others can be energetic about autism research for treatments but that does not make them bad people. I think it's hard to realize that one can exist as one is and maybe some time in the future the obstacles which hinder might be improved. For different people with autism this applies and other times not as I've seen people with autism be very successful and well integrated at the same time and I don't really see them as needing a cure unless they say otherwise. Compassion is not pity but pity to me would be me waring a shirt saying cure me. I got an ego to

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20 Mar 2011, 6:34 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GQWqYAkhM[/youtube]

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20 Mar 2011, 6:37 am

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Also I am content with who and what I am. That I am that I am of course. Yet I also believe in improving aspects of me because I am not perfect like any other human being. I think like I've experienced where I live people with autism (you say autistics) and I'd say people like me that were given a label will be included more and more into organizations. I have no problem with meeting and being part of organizations in the way I want here and I wouldn't expect to automatically be included in national organizations because they are big and far away..

When I view the war on autism or a cure for autism I don't view it as changing my wiring. I think of it as improving aspects of myself called symptoms. Research may help with my sensory overload for instance. The war on autism I don't believe is a way against my individuality but the adverse things I experience as a result of the disability I was born with.

If they listened to us then their research would probably involve things like sensory overload but as it is they aren't listening to us. They are trying to "fix" us without even listening to what any of us need.

Also, I never said anything about automatically being included into organizations that are far away. I said that these organizations regularly don't let Autistics next, nigh or near them, they don't listen but they are being given money to research a 'cure'. I wrote cure as I did because total removal of Autism isn't a cure, it is a removal of diversity.

I have nothing against real research into things that Autistics need help with, I have a problem with removal of something just because of a lack of acceptance.

If I say something that hurts someone without my meaning to, I expect them to tell me and people have told me. I then improved my social skills because of their feedback. When I had anger issues, I researched calming methods until I found the one that worked for me. I'm aware that I'm lucky, not everybody has had the people around them to help them with what they need help with. I still have issues with over stimulation and light sensitivity (when stressed), my current solution to this is to try avoid being overstimulated and wearing glasses that react to sunlight. Not ideal but it's what I have so far.

If these organisations actually listened to us, we'd get help with what we need instead of what they believe we need without asking us about it.

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20 Mar 2011, 6:42 am

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Then trust that my approach may help the advocacy inclusion you seek. I don't exactly like organizations the exclude different opinions. Just there is a greater good and a lessor evil type of philosophy at work. My approach is center, respectful and seeks to enable this kind of advocacy inclusion. I cannot promise anything but for me trust is a hard thing for me to give away freely. This includes all organizations.

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20 Mar 2011, 6:43 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GQWqYAkhM[/youtube]

Are you a hippie yet?

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20 Mar 2011, 9:28 am

ci wrote:

Plus individuals can accept a cure or decline it should one be developed. I hope you understand that I don't believe in forcing you to do anything against your human rights even in potential. I like talking to you on the forum.

1. How do you know they wouldn't find some loophole and just force us en-masse to be cured? This loophole could have something in it leaving people to choose if they'd rather be cured or die.
2. How do you know they wouldn't give the cure to all pregnant women or at least those with "at risk" fetuses and end up killing a bunch of unborn children needlessly b/c you can't be 100% certain if someone has the condition until later?

Think about history for a minute... compare how many groups have had to be "cured" (via medicine, losing their culture/identity, relocation, etc.) or b/c they couldn't change exterminated (or they attempted to exterminate but stopped)?
I realistically cannot see a cure being used as anything but a weapon.

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20 Mar 2011, 9:42 am

I am proud of everything about myself: being gay, being a writer, being on the autistic spectrum... but it has taken a very long and very rough trip to get to where I am now. I don't see anything about myself as being positive or negative... nor desirable or undesirable. I am just proud of ME. I am proud of myself for what I do and where my talents lie.

Only after I found pride in myself could I have pride in the communities in which I belong. However, while pride in ourselves is important, our communities (the autistic community in this case), are primarily there for mutual support. I belong to, not one, but two groups that tend to be bullied and victimized... but as a group we can pool our stengths together to protect, and promote one another.

That is the purpose of autistic pride; It is not just a personal pride in yourself, but pride in the accomplishments and abilities of those like you.

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20 Mar 2011, 10:04 am

ci wrote:

CockneyRebel wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GQWqYAkhM[/youtube]

Are you a hippie yet?

and what if he where?
so what, its just a label like autism is in your eyes,

all of this propaganda is driving me crazy,

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20 Mar 2011, 4:20 pm

Oodain wrote:

ci wrote:

CockneyRebel wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GQWqYAkhM[/youtube]

Are you a hippie yet?

and what if he where?
so what, its just a label like autism is in your eyes,

all of this propaganda is driving me crazy,

Hippie is a funny joke from a past post.

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20 Mar 2011, 4:22 pm

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The pride movement is not just about self-esteem and self-acceptance. It's a political propaganda front many times used to confront research. Therefore it's a political ideology beyond good self-esteem. Neurodiversity has been made into a political item as well. So as long as it is political and effects others rights to treatment research and awareness of impairment it is not that simple.

It uses peoples emotions for the indoctrination process of folks into political confrontations authored by propagandists. Other then this reason I believe the reality of the label is the problem for self-esteem beyond that of the actual disability. Yet thinking about the disability because folks are born as they are seems to trigger this polarization. Me personally I am content with myself and don't mind others are seeking improvements in potential for my choices and I don't get in the way.

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20 Mar 2011, 9:48 pm

I feel any factor that a person overcomes that a person does not cause and is therefore uncontrollable (as in, you didn't cause it) is something to be proud of when you learn how to live and be happy despite it.

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20 Mar 2011, 9:57 pm

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An idealism that both leads to a better potential of happiness and in other circumstances for others self-neglect. Reality is the truth and reality does not lie. To face this truth is not always adverse to the bottom line but truth itself can lead to a better reality.

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21 Mar 2011, 6:42 am

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I beg to differ. I'm quite proud of my autism and if I was forced to be cured and healed, than I wouldn't be the same person. If I wasn't on the spectrum, I wouldn't be that wonderful and eccentric Kinks Fan that you know. I would be exactly like all the NT females who are my age, into Top 40, American Idol, America's Next Top Model and What Not To Wear. I don't want that for myself. To cure me would be to take away a huge part of my identity, and I don't want that for myself. I'm different and interesting because of my autism, not in spite of it. I do as I am, because I am who I am. To change me would be a big rejection to me. Please don't question what I said, either or else I won't post in this sub-forum anymore.

Right because there are no NTs who like the Kinks or are unique in some other way. :roll:

Also, liking the Kinks doesn't make you any more or less unique than someone who likes Top 40. It just means you like the Kinks.

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21 Mar 2011, 9:53 am

ci wrote:

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The Autism Pride movement is only about propaganda and indoctrination if you allow it to be. If those elements of the movement offend you, then reject them and be vocal about it, but it does not require rejecting the entire movement. What I wrote had nothing to do with either of those things, yet I still have pride in myself and those with which I share my experience.

I don't agree any movement to change the rest of the world just to suit us. I don't even know what would be done to make that happen, because we are all different with different needs. My sense of pride only demands respect and understanding. I will not tolerate being intimidated, bullied, and talked down. If pride in autism helps to prevent that, then it is a good thing.

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21 Mar 2011, 1:03 pm

That's why I stay away from the autism pride. It has intimated me and others. It's what sticks out about it. It's a soar idea to me after years because pride by instinct to preserve it will push away the truth even when it's not it's own personal truth. It will remove, make unpopular and extinct what threatens it's own sense of feeling in association. For truth to stand-up and coexist with pride this would be very unusual.

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