On Combating Hate Against A Cure

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Guess I did get a little off-track there, sorry.



Yes. ASAN appears to be a relatively small organization and pretty homogenous in their views. I'd imagine that, on the up side, this means that there would not be too much 'infighting on values or objectives,' but I can also see how that would upset other SA's with different views, like the OP, who are made to feel excluded.

Actually I had no problem with ASAN originally and was happy for them. Though I was not at the time understanding all the issues. However with how they have politically constructed themselves and how they exclude protects myself and others from what they have done. That is why I say they can either evolve or become much more ineffective.

It does often seem like with advocates, the ones with the most 'extreme' views get the most attention. It tends to feel like a battle between the very pro-cure vs. the very pro-neurodiversity. But, there is a whole range of views and beliefs with plenty of people somewhere in the middle and it's a shame those in the middle tend to get left out.

Anyway, good for you for voicing your opinions, even if not all of us agree. I'm always proud to see people on the Spectrum putting their self-advocacy skills into practice.

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It's about abortion politics and asking tax-payers and otherwise for money for programs. Guilting and calling tax-payers bigots while asking for money is not the kind of public relations most people including me as a person with autism support. I believe they either intentionally desired to fail using the worse kinds of approaches or were just that inexperienced. I do plan to apologise for their behavior and ask that abortion be separated from other autism related politics and for those individuals that did it to step aside for the best interest of others. Many politicians will nominate potential political opponents such as what Obama did with Ari because of abortion issues. I don't believe Obama as a democrat wanted to support guilting the public as Ari and company has done.

I am releasing a report about this issue and as well as self-advocacy diversity so as to enable all opinions. It will be distributed to over 100 organizations and as well as online forums and list-serves. It is a component of a critical advocacy and political risk management outline designed to educate individuals and organizations in an advanced way.

Nathan Young

Someone wrote about how they work in the support system and how success is not that easy. I cannot locate the post at this time but it's somewhere in this topic. Let's discuss that and if you would provide more details.

Yes I have theorized about all this. However cure is potentially costly. Remembering that autism is a wide spectrum and those who cannot even speak should have as much research done as possible and for it to be cured. So some folks will make others believe allot of things to make it out to be a bad thing too.

Please go find a cure for being asian while you're at it.

I can understand why you said that.

This is a legal question and of which I am not qualified. Cures being developed for differing symptoms soon, eventually and when possible is a human and civil rights concern. Opposition to a cure for autism in general are potential evasions of those human rights. Saying it is being re-branded as something else and opposing the word cure is unacceptable.

A cure means something different for each individual with autism. A person should in theory have the right to make any changes to themselves they deem desired. Whether or not one person defines it as a positive and another a negative. Personal choices.

A cure is not going to solve the problem. This is because there is a neurotypical mindset that once an autistic always an autistic. For example when I was a boy I had 2 operations on my eye muscles in order to cure autistic eye movements. The result was that although my eyes do not move all over the place like they used to nevertheless my eye movements are still not neurotypical enough for me to hold down a job. Neurotypical bosses do not compromise and they will not accept just a little autism because they do not want any autism. Neurotypical bosses are control freaks and autistics drive them crazy. Neurotypical bosses want the job done their way and refuse to give the autistic any clarifications to their work orders.

I have come to the realization that there is nothing wrong with me and it is my neurotypical boss who is the problem. Why should I change when he is the one who needs to change. The NT boss has no empathy and would fire me in a heart beat in order to inflict the greatest amount of economic harm possible.

The attitude of neurotypicals who are in positions of power is that there is no amount of cure or amount of training that is going to do the autistic any good. Neurotypicals do not like autistics period and that is why the autistic faces an enormous amount of employment discrimintion

I think you may be imagining hatred where there is none.

With regards to cure each individual with autism is different. When in an individual autism manifests a certain way and a person chooses no cure then there should be no cure applied. This is personal decisions and innate diversity. So the choice for cure and the existence of diversity being held intact is compatible with neurodiversity. Neurodiverse minds functioning with their neurodiverse brains think for themselves. A cure may remedy difficulty when applicable but still hold intact the neurodiversity yet simply create improvements when needed.

Thank you for displaying your stupidity and clearly demonstrating the hate your kind throws at us only for wanting to alleviate a severe disability.

Lets work on definitions though - a cure wouldn't necessarily make use like everyone else, a cure wouldn't even necessarily 'cure' the fact that we're different or quirky, what it would do though is give us more processing power to close the gap, behaved as was convenient to us (the NT act and processing would become much easier around NT's). If we were made quicker and sharper in the social area (ie. a new experimental nootropic drug that increased white matter and made us the mental speed and load-bearing capacity that they have), what we'd have is enough power that, we wouldn't be pushovers.

See how NT's treat each other. You have hammers, and then you have nails. Having a disability, if taken on its own is being a nail and plus some - mainly because the biases people have against you. If they have a reason to fear and respect you - they'll do that, some of that issue is resolved.

In this sense, human beings are much like any other animal. If people realize they tower over you, they may take advantage of it - *if* their in the middle and still think that stepping on heads will get them somewhere. The biggest challenge for people with a disability is that they aren't imposing and that businesses even know that they need strong representatives out with the clients, otherwise the clients will be given an inch and take a mile. This is part of the sorrow people are talking about when they reference 'the human condition'.

Understanding it that way - yes - no one will ever in their life not have a moment at some point where they're being messed with; AS, NT, or otherwise no matter who you are, no matter if you're the best lawyer alive or the best fighter. So saying that a cure won't solve all of the problem is wasted, the fact that it would alleviate quite a significant swath of the problem is positive in a big way.

Diabetes too. People have a right to not create insulin.

If they find a cure great for people who consent......but if it is forced that would be a problem, I am also worried it could be abused. Like where do we draw the line can a kids parent say they want them cured and have it done no questions asked regardless of what the child wants and whether or not it is in their best intrest?

What? You don't think asians want to alleviate their severe disability as well?



Diabetes causes people to become dependent on insulin or face death. Do you think that's comparable with being asian?



That is the problem, the moment a 'cure' is found, parents will be giving it to their autistic children without a second thought. The argument for cure by consent is all well and good until you realize how much trouble parents of autistic children are already going through to try and 'cure' their child.