Neurodiversity Symposium at Syracuse University, August 5th

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02 Sep 2011, 9:14 pm

But when you try to act like someone norma person neurotypicals see right through it and not only are you autistic but now you are a phony.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:20 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
But when you try to act like someone normal person neurotypicals see right through it and not only are you autistic but now you are a phony.


Listen I'm no programmed robot. If you only think inside of the autism box in a social way and say that is only allowed and everything else is faking being you then I am not sure if you are allowing yourself to be who you really are. Also who cares what other people think. Be yourself and get rid of the imagination people are always hating on that. I think you will find more happiness.

Ever dance around to be silly? Is that autism or N.Tism?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7X9MQi7uOU&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL3E6609B3A2CD1275[/youtube]


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02 Sep 2011, 9:35 pm

But autism is who you are.



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02 Sep 2011, 11:36 pm

Autism is a disorder label. The idea of calling myself a disorder label tends to imply I am a defect. A disorder label was applied to me when I could not help myself enough. I am much more then this concept. Autism defines parts of myself that enable me to get help that I need. It is necessary in our society to be labeled to get help. Other then this application I am certainly not a disorder concept as a identity but happily simply myself far beyond some alienable conceptualism whose application toward myself can be alienated in certain contexts as a right to dignity in common sense beyond certifying my eligibility of services when applied to myself.

I do not find that because my brain functions different certain ways that I receive a label because of my difficulty it is a judgement against my identity, self and or spirit and soul.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC5FdFlUcl0&ob=av3e[/youtube]


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03 Sep 2011, 3:38 am

ci wrote:
Autism is a disorder label. The idea of calling myself a disorder label tends to imply I am a defect. A disorder label was applied to me when I could not help myself enough. I am much more then this concept. Autism defines parts of myself that enable me to get help that I need. It is necessary in our society to be labeled to get help. Other then this application I am certainly not a disorder concept as a identity but happily simply myself far beyond some alienable conceptualism whose application toward myself can be alienated in certain contexts as a right to dignity in common sense beyond certifying my eligibility of services when applied to myself.

I do not find that because my brain functions different certain ways that I receive a label because of my difficulty it is a judgement against my identity, self and or spirit and soul.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC5FdFlUcl0&ob=av3e[/youtube]
Lawl, and then you use that track by audioslave. You really do add in those videos for no reason. As for needing any help the only help you need is one sentence: Brevity is the soul of wit.



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03 Sep 2011, 3:49 am

Just looked up be yourself key-phrases on YouTube. The topic seems to have been productive. The contents of the post has much else to do then some entertaining video fitting a somewhat relevant theme of discussion.


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03 Sep 2011, 4:05 pm

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Just looked up be yourself key-phrases on YouTube. The topic seems to have been productive. The contents of the post has much else to do then some entertaining video fitting a somewhat relevant theme of discussion.

But the video actually fits what androbot is arguing, not what you were. You shot yourself in the foot.



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03 Sep 2011, 4:14 pm

Hey, remember when this thread was about a neurodiversity conference? Those were some good times.


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03 Sep 2011, 4:31 pm

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Hey, remember when this thread was about a neurodiversity conference? Those were some good times.

Yes, I did. But tell me why should I take his crap? I doubt you have a reason.



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03 Sep 2011, 5:35 pm

Gedrene wrote:
ci wrote:
Just looked up be yourself key-phrases on YouTube. The topic seems to have been productive. The contents of the post has much else to do then some entertaining video fitting a somewhat relevant theme of discussion.

But the video actually fits what androbot is arguing, not what you were. You shot yourself in the foot.


It's what we were both saying. To be ourselves. To by myself I don't have to be a label. Many say they are not a label. It's part of the people first movement. OF which some aspies reject and insist I be called a disorder label instead of my respectful individuality without need of such disorder notions.

As far as the conference most of them have the wrong idea of neurodiversity. It's a simple statement about a diversity existing. People of a diversity think all sorts of ways but some want it for specific agenda's and that includes mainstream abortion issues. I feel the need to reject that sort of idea and keeping it simple like others want to do.


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03 Sep 2011, 8:39 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Delirium wrote:
Hey, remember when this thread was about a neurodiversity conference? Those were some good times.

Yes, I did. But tell me why should I take his crap? I doubt you have a reason.


I wasn't agreeing with ci. I was criticizing him for derailing the thread.


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03 Sep 2011, 8:52 pm

Yet that's the tactic of ASAN. To derail public events with horrible accusations and politics. I find it perfectly sensible that in some virtual setting I protest as well. I am not able to go long distances as supports do not go that far so online is the best I can do. I suppose it's ok ASAN does it and in a much more obstructive way but me because I also have autism and disagree with them on a simple forum space it's not ok for me to simply speak my mind when individuals can otherwise ignore it. At events it's hard to ignore people accusing others of horrible crimes and nonexistent bigotry while they scream it.

When more and more people with autism disagree with ASAN and their methods what will be said then? Most people with autism do not even have a clue as to what ASAN is nor their history. What they have said about individuals parents and people that care. I really believe that the extremes should settle down and work on solutions rather then drama for other political reasons such as abortion.

When ASAN actually realizes people like myself exist and need help beyond simply sayign we are different and are disabled because we are discriminated against then I think what they can do in advocacy will be successful. Until then it seems to be all about politics, social aggression and not so much real-life solutions beyond a few educational accommodations in philosophy I agree with.

What if ASAN had to deal with the same kinds of ordeals in protests they did unto others? Intruding on events including speaking arrangements. When will they respect others think different from them and that it is not some sort of bigoted travesty that myself and others only seek pity for? I think their approaches at times are absurd, are emotional bullying and cause more harm then good.

Those that call compassion pity should try not to melt watching this video..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Nh84lfvW0[/youtube]


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04 Sep 2011, 2:39 am

ci wrote:
Yet that's the tactic of ASAN. To derail public events with horrible accusations and politics.


Where the hell did anyone say anything about ASAN in this whole thread!



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04 Sep 2011, 3:08 am

Well I'm not blind.. I don't suspect you are either and even for people that are blind there are text to voice readers.


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04 Sep 2011, 3:13 am

ci wrote:
Well I'm not blind.. I don't suspect you are either and even for people that are blind there are text to voice readers.

Where was ASAN mentioned? Why are you shifting the topic to another hate obsession of yours?



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04 Sep 2011, 3:15 am

Really absurd. Read the initial post.


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