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what is your opinion of autism supremacy's stance in autism politics?
I support Autism Supremacy 15%  15%  [ 7 ]
I think NTs oppress us but do not agree with autism supremacy 22%  22%  [ 10 ]
you agree in theory but think the real life application of Autism Supremacy is unlikely 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
you do not agree with Autism Supremacy 46%  46%  [ 21 ]
other(write in comment) 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 46

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05 Aug 2011, 9:35 pm

It doesnt really mean I agree but I'm sure you can figure that out on yourown.



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05 Aug 2011, 10:19 pm

aspie48 wrote:
It doesnt really mean I agree but I'm sure you can figure that out on yourown.


I was explaining what [2] means. it means you're are the second to agree, and [3] would mean you are the third person to agree and so on..I though that might be nessisary as I have never seen it done on this website.



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06 Aug 2011, 9:06 am

I am totally opposed to autism supremacy.



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06 Aug 2011, 9:49 am

Unfortunately there are only 2 choices if you do not believe in autistic supremacy then by default you believe in neurotypical supremacy.



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06 Aug 2011, 10:20 am

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Unfortunately there are only 2 choices if you do not believe in autistic supremacy then by default you believe in neurotypical supremacy.


That's as nonsensical as saying if you don't believe white people are the devil, then you're a white supremacist.

There is such a concept as equality, you know.



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06 Aug 2011, 10:37 am

What equality means for autistics is that at best we are no better than neurotypicals and at worse we are considered mentally ill ret*ds.



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06 Aug 2011, 10:37 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately there are only 2 choices if you do not believe in autistic supremacy then by default you believe in neurotypical supremacy.


Really, so its physically impossible for me to think neither one is superior?



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06 Aug 2011, 10:43 am

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What equality means for autistics is that at best we are no better than neurotypicals and at worse we are considered mentally ill ret*ds.

Why do I always feel like these comments could be quite offensive to mentally ill or mentally ret*d people? seriously some people are that way and it's not their fault......but sometimes it appears the one thing the autistic and neurotypical community can agree on is how undesirable such people are. I like my idea that no one is superior.



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06 Aug 2011, 10:55 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately there are only 2 choices if you do not believe in autistic supremacy then by default you believe in neurotypical supremacy.


Really, so its physically impossible for me to think neither one is superior?

well you can think that in your own mind but in real life its practicably impossible yeah.



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06 Aug 2011, 10:58 am

aspie48 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Unfortunately there are only 2 choices if you do not believe in autistic supremacy then by default you believe in neurotypical supremacy.


Really, so its physically impossible for me to think neither one is superior?

well you can think that in your own mind but in real life its practicably impossible yeah.


Well that is a load of BS...how is it impossible not to veiw either one as superior? I mean for instance I have had chronic depression ever since I can remember and I don't think it makes me inferior to people without depression. Sure it can make things very difficult at times but I am not any less human because of it.



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06 Aug 2011, 11:20 am

well we are all human but some people are more talented and capable than others.



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06 Aug 2011, 11:28 am

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well we are all human but some people are more talented and capable than others.


In some ways everyone has flaws and everyone has skills...that makes people different not inferior or superior. I am terrible at math but I am quite good at writing and critical thinking type stuff. Am I stupid because I only have the math skills of a 5th grader if that? no not really.

Also what makes you think people with AS or autism are more talented and capable than others? I mean you cannot deny that some of us have difficulties I have a lot of difficulties with social interaction because of the AS...an NT would not have such difficulties and have no idea what it's like that does not mean they are totally superior it means they have a skill I lack but I have some skills many of them lack. difference not superiority.



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06 Aug 2011, 11:32 am

well being social is a waste of time. a useless talent. not being social means you can just do better stuff.



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06 Aug 2011, 11:50 am

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well being social is a waste of time. a useless talent. not being social means you can just do better stuff.


Well that is your opinion, but I kind of like to interact with people so the fact that such interaction is difficult for me does bother me. I mean it is kind of painful when you know you are a decent person but people think you're rude because you don't make eye contact, don't express enough intrest ect.



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06 Aug 2011, 1:52 pm

Valuable things that being social can do:

* enable cooperation to do things a lone person cannot do - like wolf packs taking down large prey

* help a person solve problems they're too involved in to see clearly

* use mutually contradictory talents together, such as a creativity and organizational skills (I have yet to meet a person who is both creative and well-organized)

* care for vulnerable young before they are able to be independent, and care for those who won't ever be independent

* enable specialization because you don't need to be functional in every skill area since others can take up the slack

* maximize knowledge by sharing it, so you don't have to reinvent the wheel

* allow you to predict your enemies' actions

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What equality means for autistics is that at best we are no better than neurotypicals and at worse we are considered mentally ill ret*ds.


Two things.

First, why do you want to be seen as better? That's pretty bigoted. I know from personal experience what it's like to have people see me as less than them, I don't want to pass on that suffering to others.

Secondly, mentally ill people and cognitively disabled people also deserve equality, too.

Thirdly, equality does not mean seeing one group in a negative light, even 'at worst'. Do you even know what the word 'equality' means? By definition, it means no one is seen as inferior. If someone is seen as inferior, then we do not have equality, obviously.



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06 Aug 2011, 2:59 pm

@Ettina you pose a good point and i really should reply to it, i think there is a big difference between socialization and communication. i recently wrote an article on this topic. http://autism-supremacy.webs.com/apps/b ... ialization