The Autism Acceptance Movement

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I have a right to point out flaws in your argument no matter what they are. That's a concept that you haven't grasped yet: that you could be wrong.

When am I a hypocrite? Do you ever use a link to when I am doing it when you make these accusations? You have no excuse for not doing so. Otherwise I could just point out that everything you say is unproven rubbish and nothing but a transparent attempt (as usual) to make up lies about people who disagree with you

Here we go again...
Right. Didn't you learn the first time? Or are you just incapable of understanding? You are a hypocritical, lying, speculation-dependent megalomaniac who psychologically projects so hard that he can barely write a proper sentence.

Seems like fair comment to me...except I am sure I noticed indicators of underlying incipient sadism too...but that could have just been a trick of the light?

People have the right to do all sorts of things. It does not make it reasonable that they will enjoy it especially when disabilities prevent meeting your standards. I am very comfortable with my writing ability as it is but your uncomfortable and displeased with it enough to go from post to post pointing it out. It's like following a person in a wheelchair around and pointing it out to everybody hey he can't walk but I can walk.

Your constant insults to revise my understanding which was written for constructive input will not help evolve my opinion. You seem to hate such as the following which you do not have evidence for. " Didn't you learn the first time? Or are you just incapable of understanding? You are a hypocritical, lying, speculation-dependent megalomaniac who psychologically projects so hard that he can barely write a proper sentence." Your proving to be a down right nasty, mean and hateful person who refuses to argue the points with constuctive reasoning but instead because he can't find a way to evolve how I as of current understand the topic seeks to insult me to the point of running for cover. It won't work.

I think this reflects a true disability bigotry. These folks tend not to like autism is a disability verbiages so they resort to demeaning it to make it less popular as a form of peer pressure. Again having thick skin it pretty much bounces off of me and I'm looking at you two as if your emotionally intolerant.

Hardly, as we were both referring to your choice of behaviours rather than your disability.

If the sun shines in your eyes you exhibit a behavior as a result. Someone could choose to stare at the sun resulting in eye damage. Likewise one could also stand out in a blaring sun all day and get burnt. There is very little I can do about the grammar as I do remember trying to learn and and do grasp some. It is the posters behavior that chooses to continue to attempt to belittle me about it when in fact it won't change how I express. Regardless on the other items no evidence nor intent on my end.

Then why when pressed do you show that you can be perfectly grammatical and understandable?

I can be grammatically more correct from to time I think because I have mentally remembered another usage of the same or very similar phrasing. To me it is common sense to separate some things with "," when I don't see why or how other times. I do tend to think I am writing something a certain way then re-read it and think I've written it a certain way but not seem to notice how it is really written. This I think has to do with attention and memory problems but in an odd sense. I would have to say grammar is not a profound difficulty of my own so I don't see the big deal in the first place is. Perhaps it is beyond "," marks. I just got to a certain point where I did not comprehend any more of the grammar education.

So ci, you admit you are just playing games.

In what regard and how do we define a game? In how I've used the word game in context to autism politics I intended to mean people who just will not reason and refuse to get along who go on repeating the same anti-organization jargon. It's a game for them with real-life manifestations for others. To me people that don't play games are people that will sit down and reasonably talk about matters to find mutual understanding regarding emotions, opinions and look for the best results mutually for individuals in need.

Perhaps it can be said I'm playing the enders game to the political games in autism politics and helping to accelerate the social evolutionary process of it so as to find conclusion. I must oblige the same terms in which others are playing the game. Ultimately my goal is comprehensive understanding and reasonable disagreements finding solutions.

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Both vermonsavant and Ci, have been ostracized here by a number of other people on there communication style that has been pointed out as flawed. I have also encountered others that are quick to point out when I misspel a word, even when it is a typo. I recollect misspellling misspel one time because I left an s out.

I have a problem with concise language, that is part of my impairments with Autism, so zeraeph has kindly brought to my attention that my style of writing is convuluted; It's not the first time I have heard that comment.

Some of these issues are directly associated with the condition of Autism, yet some easily and freely denigrate others, without regard to the fact that it may be part of their impairments associated with Autism.

Yet, some of the same are quick to point out that Autism Speaks doesn't understand us, and can't speak for us. There is clear evidence, whenever anyone with any kind of communication impairment associated with Autism, comes to this forum, that some of us can't identify impairments that are not the fault of others, associated with Autism, that they have been challenged with, but haven't fully overcome. I too have found myself making this mistake, and try to correct it when I recognize it.

As Vermontsavant indicated he is treated better by the people from Autism Speaks that some of the people here. We expect organizations like Autism Speaks to change, understand, and listen to us, but are some of the more advantaged individuals that see themselves as highly functioning, capable of making the change we see as necessary in that organization, in ourselves?

From what I've seen it is some of those that are brave enough to come here, with less than perfect grammar and spelling skills are at times the ones that understand there is middle ground to be found among the rigid ways of thinking about what an autistic person is or should be, or what the help they need from others is.

I think it serves us all well if we do our best to understand others, accept their flaws, and look for reasonable middle ground, where we can find it.

Aspie48 came here with a rigid point of view, and was mature enough to change it, when enough evidence was presented to him, that suggested it was a better road to take. That's the most encouraging thing I have seen in this forum so far. A real meaningful result from reasonable discussion.

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I never heard of gullability as an attribute of maturity before...but if it *IS* - I think I'll pass.

I believe the topic is The Autism Acceptance Movement. Let's all agree to disagree.

Just to clarify that was in regard to Autism Supremacy issue; and also to be clear, I was part of that conversation, to provide reasonable suggestions to the young man as to the pitfalls of the ideology, along with everyone else that participated that made an effort to provide understanding.

What 'Autism Acceptance Movement'?

As far as I can tell, this is simply another ci invention in which he uses words in his own special way to further his promotion of 'autism as a disorder requiring a cure' and disparaging those of us who are proud of ourselves.

Look on Google. If your autism is not a disorder then your autism is not a disorder. If my and others autism are a disability thus a disorder then it is for us. I propose these politics become more individualistic rather then seek to impose another persons reality of themselves on others.