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What country do you live in?
United Kingdom 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
United States 56%  56%  [ 18 ]
Canada 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Other (please specify) 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 32

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25 Aug 2011, 10:27 am

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We've had countless threads about this. I would die happy if I never saw another thread about starting an autistic nation.

I'm just pointing out that there are people who have tried to start a micronation and failed. Just because you talk about a plan on the Internet doesn't mean it will come to fruition.


Just because it failed before doesn't mean it will always fail. Also, just because you talk about a plan on the internet doesn't mean it can't work.



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25 Aug 2011, 3:48 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Delirium wrote:
We've had countless threads about this. I would die happy if I never saw another thread about starting an autistic nation.

I'm just pointing out that there are people who have tried to start a micronation and failed. Just because you talk about a plan on the Internet doesn't mean it will come to fruition.


Just because it failed before doesn't mean it will always fail. Also, just because you talk about a plan on the internet doesn't mean it can't work.


Look up the Free State Project or Christian Exodus.


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25 Aug 2011, 3:50 pm

Most of those threads have just been about how great it would be if we had our own nation... all I'm trying to do in this thread in quantify the support, see where people live to identify which country would be best. With that in mind, could be possibly start saying? America's a big country... 8)

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I'm just pointing out that there are people who have tried to start a micronation and failed. Just because you talk about a plan on the Internet doesn't mean it will come to fruition.

It's damn hard to fail at setting up a micronation. All you need is a bit of land. Anyway, I was using the term micronation because I like it. You can use the term village, community, or whatever if it makes you feel better.

Now, if you'd please stop trying to derail the thread...



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25 Aug 2011, 5:17 pm

Then you will die unhappy.

Farmstead projects are new and working, not as well as I would like, but something. More of a rural group home at this point.

Most threads cave in from doubters, those self chosen lawgivers, and letting people under thirty post.

The future is coming, do something or it will be done to you.

Perhaps you would like to do nothing and let FEMA make your choices for you?

Government income is going to continue to decline, retiring war babies are going to strain retirement programs, and the growing autism field had better chose it's own future for a million people, because no one else could.

In times of full employment we were marginal workers at best. With 20% unemployment from lifetime workers, that path is closed.

It is not just us, a million, there are twenty million displaced by globalization, who are now losing their connection to life, and are likely to never regain it. What do you do with 40% permanete unemployment? We will find out.

The species has to adapt to a more direct labor exchange, like a roof over their head and food. This employment for wages, with taxes, retirement, health care, unemployment, is a failing model.

A big concern is only two workers to support one retired soon. Social Security started with more than seven to support one. It was a Ponzi going up, and now it is only continuing because of the printing press. We will make money worthless is not a plan.

Retired war babies will have worse problems than autistics, they are older, and do not have a lot of time to become secure somewhere.

Between us will be roving bands of displaced people with nowhere to go, no support, and nothing to eat but small towns. Mad Max had it right.

The government is transfering the gold out of the country, as Europeans did in WWII, and will govern from their vinyards in Chile, The Bush family has bought a micro nation.

All in favor of dying can continue doing what they are doing.



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25 Aug 2011, 7:35 pm

Rather than a micro-nation, an autistic district on the edge of a city might work better. The trouble is finding a city with job opportunities providing a living wage that will grow very little in population or have very little demographic change (not just race) over a long period of time.


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25 Aug 2011, 8:28 pm

I have already started an Aspie Nanonation that contains as many people as it can hold.

One.

Me.


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25 Aug 2011, 9:38 pm

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Now, if you'd please stop trying to derail the thread...


I'm expressing my opinion.


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25 Aug 2011, 9:42 pm

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This is going to flop harder than the Free State Project.

Seconded.

Without the support of neurotypicals, such a project would not even get off the ground.



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26 Aug 2011, 12:46 am

Fnord wrote:
Delirium wrote:
This is going to flop harder than the Free State Project.

Seconded.

Without the support of neurotypicals, such a project would not even get off the ground.


Which is why I am saying live as a group in an existing city. Also I don't need anyone else to do anything for me to be honest. Little steps are required, not bleeding NTs.



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26 Aug 2011, 6:56 am

By all means, start an Autist community in a city. I was only using the term micronation to refer to my favoured model of a community that is mostly, if not entirely, autarkic. Ideally, several (at least...) models would be tried out, and we'd find the one(s) which worked.

We don't need "Enty" support to do this. Well, maybe *you* can't do anything without an Enty to hold your hand, but...

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Most threads cave in from doubters, those self chosen lawgivers, and letting people under thirty post.

Oi! You crossed a line here, Inventor. 8)

We really need a separate Forum for this...



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26 Aug 2011, 7:09 am

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Most threads cave in from doubters, those self chosen lawgivers, and letting people under thirty post.

I get doubters. I get people who insist everyone do it exactly their way. But why must you be ageist?



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26 Aug 2011, 7:10 am

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I have already started an Aspie Nanonation that contains as many people as it can hold.

One.

Me.


May I join? Then we can call the nation Us.



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26 Aug 2011, 1:10 pm

Gedrene wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
I have already started an Aspie Nanonation that contains as many people as it can hold.

One.

Me.


May I join? Then we can call the nation Us.


:)

You could visit if my cats and birds were to agree.


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26 Aug 2011, 2:28 pm

AlanTuring wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
AlanTuring wrote:
I have already started an Aspie Nanonation that contains as many people as it can hold.

One.

Me.


May I join? Then we can call the nation Us.


:)

You could visit if my cats and birds were to agree.


Or we could go to Canada once I get my degree. God that would blow up in the face of the Canadian bureaucracy. 'Two university-trained men unable to enter Canada because of inflexible, unrealistic laws on autism.'



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26 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Delirium wrote:
This is going to flop harder than the Free State Project.

Seconded. Without the support of neurotypicals, such a project would not even get off the ground.

Which is why I am saying live as a group in an existing city. Also I don't need anyone else to do anything for me to be honest. Little steps are required, not bleeding NTs.

And just who would provide emergency services without a lot of arm-flapping and drama? Or do you intend to exclude anyone who displays these behaviors?



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26 Aug 2011, 2:43 pm

I could, since I don't arm flap...? Honestly Fnord, do you need an Enty to hold your hand constantly to make sure you don't hurt yourself?

No-one is proposing we form a nation and declare independence, so such a matter would not come up. Even if that became a realistic proposition, though, not all Autists are incapable of getting through life without assistence.

Now, if people would say where they live in greater detail, so I can get an idea of where most people are...