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What criteria would you suggest?

I would have thought the same criteria as NT's use: income, education, IQ, analytical ability, capacity to construct a logical and cogent argument etc.

Have you heard of the concept of "trickle down"?

None.



Yes, and have noticed what a total failure it's been.

If you're going to use the standard criteria of society what exactly are you going to argue for? "I make good money, a good education, and am very analytical" -- the retort is going to be, "so, why do you want special rights or special consideration? It sounds like you have no need for it."

No need to resort to glib arguments. The simple answer is that it is in the State's interest to expand the pool of tax payers at the top marginal tax rate and to invest in those who have an outstanding capacity to enhance the fabric of a nation either by innovation or wealth creation.

The best way to argue for improvements is to convince the tax payer and legislators that an investment in scarce resources is a safe bet that will yield the desired outcomes. Hence, the safest bets are individuals who have already proven they have commitment, character and competence.

Therefore, commiting resources to such individuals to ensure that they optimise their potential is a safe bet; in particular in the current economic climate.

We all know that the upper middle classes tend to be the biggest consumers of state subsidies ie Extended education, subsidised Arts and Cultural Activities etc

Why should Aspie politics be any different? Why should the potential welfare of my family be held back by a false altruism predicated on the lowest common denominator.

I appreciate that this sounds heartless and may be at odds with your particular value system but unfortunately, that's life.

Maybe pride in your own genes has blinded you to the reality that perhaps people with disabilities you think are less capable don't have a value if well integrated and part of the economy. Kind of like how you put me down for recieving help as if a tax payer leach and then seek money for your family instead. I propose that your biased in your own regard, you and others think you are more deserving and then seek to diminish the importance of inclusion for those who are not as traditionally capable as of yet as you as they have not been given the chance but obviously offer a diversity you would rather not see advance over your own self-centered agenda.

You elitist aspie pride-mite brat.

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I'm sorry I couldn't help myself after the text insults towards myself by him and those like him. I will not do it again I promise.

Sorry..

Are you feeling better now?

Do you expect me to respond to this diatribe?

Is this how you use your time and the tax dollars you have been entrusted with?

You are doing a very good job of illustrating my point vividly.

PS What text insults?

Just because I receive supports does not mean I have to do what you say otherwise be threatened with the removal of supports. I can speak my mind anytime and do so quite productively with the public. Your a piece of work trying to control my thoughts and ideas simply because am given supports under the law and because of that you think you can control me.

Next time you want to drive in a free country don't use a public road to do things you see fit.

And what exactly should our cause be?

Equal opprtunity and a level playing field in work, education, health care, the judicial system and recreation to NTs sound like a reasonable start?

Yes that would be nice, lol it was made clear to me at an early age that my being the 'weird one' would not be tolerated, maybe that is why teachers and school staff never gave a crap that all the other kids liked to shun me and actively pick on me.......sometimes they freaking encouraged it by involving themselves in it. And society wants me to be a functional, productive member of it....forget them I am done and would prefer to see it burn figuritively speaking. Besides there are pleanty of people with this disorder who agree with the very thinking that causes that sort of treatment of some individuals.

The whole world is not like a childhood school room. This forum however reminds me of what I witnessed in high school. Not much part of it just an observer myself and attacked twice for minding my own businesses pacing and so on. No they tended not to like fart noises then which I learned. Schools even then some 10 years ago did not openly tolerate bullying and in fact all I had to do is tell one person and it went on official school record and the party approached.

Well when I was in school, it was pretty obvious to me that I was being bullied and picked on by most of the other students and no one was going to do anything about it......I feel like maybe their theory was I would either eventually conform to whatever it was they wanted or succeed at suicide...I attempted and failed there were various reasons though it was not just being treated like crap so those as*holes can't take all the credit. And the worst part is it seems like our society is built on that kind of thing......and it irritates me a bit.

I can see why you feel the way you do. Yet in adult life it is different. Sometimes we must learn to let go of the past because those same people are very different. Our own thoughts can hold us back and our own rejections experienced in the past are not of the current. There is a strong will in every person just needing to be tapped for a greater self potential.

Well the thing is I myself am trying to get my prioities right among reasons that it seems as of recent, Racial Tensions have been on the rise, and well this is starting to go twords those who are mentally disabled, since there has not been many good things about the Autism Spectrum as of late, and more hate has started to rise, the thing is with me, I am being more cautioned with talking to specific people unless they are older than age 50 seeing how the younger groups seem to already be on the verge of attacking people or doing some racially motivated.

The behavior of a few does not reflect a majority. In what I do I interact with younger people then myself and they seem very respectful. Outlook can change everything and I think only speaking to older people which I to find more trust in is not enough to really gauge the collective majority.

Well Washington State has seen a big rise in people with Autism as of late, and so far there has not been much help the State of Washington has done to help people with the disorder, but rather instead let the people mess with them, hurt them, or kill them just to make a point my state does not care for Autism. much like California which tries to treat people with Autism by making it look like they have Down Syndrum or Mental Retardation, that is how it works.

The existence of people with down syndrome and profound cognitive impairment is nothing to be ashamed of in relation to autism if you are at some level. I receive services because I do not do well on my own. I don't think being represented in way with concern to my circumstances specifically and others like me by sugar coating the truth will result in helping me. However as I have proven I am also capable in other ways and no one speaks for me. Autism is a broad spectrum and it seems some seem to do quite well, some need some help, some need more help and some need allot of help. Where I live Asperger's Syndrome does not qualify but they can get Vocational Rehabilitation and it is unlikely Temple Grandin would qualify either. It's all based upon needs and not exactly a disorder label but specific needs.