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07 Sep 2011, 3:36 am

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I am not sure they are saying I am like cancer. They are comparing it to other conditions in societal effect so as to get more supports just like other conditions. I do not believe autism is like cancer or an infectious disease at all.

I think it's important to understand emotions and perspectives. That's why I post videos.

Ci, he was making assocations with fatal diseases. If you think that's somehow right then I don't know what you are trying to prove. No matter what he intended it's still wrong to make that association since we aren't all dropping dead from autism.


No not wrong. Just a zealous parent thinking about how his child will turn out. Autism effects peoples quality of life just like other disabilities.


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07 Sep 2011, 3:39 am

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I am not sure they are saying I am like cancer. They are comparing it to other conditions in societal effect so as to get more supports just like other conditions. I do not believe autism is like cancer or an infectious disease at all.

I think it's important to understand emotions and perspectives. That's why I post videos.

Ci, he was making assocations with fatal diseases. If you think that's somehow right then I don't know what you are trying to prove. No matter what he intended it's still wrong to make that association since we aren't all dropping dead from autism.


No not wrong. Just a zealous parent thinking about how his child will turn out. Autism effects peoples quality of life just like other disabilities.

Yes, but in my case it wasn't my fault. As for affecting quality of life autism as far as I know doesn't KILL people. He should have made an association with at least similar syndromes like fragile x or down's. The list would have been more impressive in any case. The only thing using cancer has is shock value.



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07 Sep 2011, 3:45 am

I 100% back the parent in what he said. I and others have a right to privacy so I don't need to get into my personal details even as a person with higher functioning autism then his child. No where did he say it was the same as cancer or the other conditions just a lack of supportive funding for research as compared. Does not mean he wants to take funding from them or those conditions are not important in their own way. Obviously Autism is Autism and Cancer is Cancer. He was seeking social justice to help his child and was brave for doing so.


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07 Sep 2011, 4:17 am

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I 100% back the parent in what he said. I and others have a right to privacy so I don't need to get into my personal details even as a person with higher functioning autism then his child. No where did he say it was the same as cancer or the other conditions just a lack of supportive funding for research as compared. Does not mean he wants to take funding from them or those conditions are not important in their own way. Obviously Autism is Autism and Cancer is Cancer. He was seeking social justice to help his child and was brave for doing so.

It's an association fallacy ci. The fact is that using associations to cancer, which causes death, to autism, which doesn't cause death, is an association fallacy. I understand very well his intent and his intimate connection. That doesn't excuse him. Neither does your support excuse him.



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07 Sep 2011, 4:37 am

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I 100% back the parent in what he said. I and others have a right to privacy so I don't need to get into my personal details even as a person with higher functioning autism then his child. No where did he say it was the same as cancer or the other conditions just a lack of supportive funding for research as compared. Does not mean he wants to take funding from them or those conditions are not important in their own way. Obviously Autism is Autism and Cancer is Cancer. He was seeking social justice to help his child and was brave for doing so.

It's an association fallacy ci. The fact is that using associations to cancer, which causes death, to autism, which doesn't cause death, is an association fallacy. I understand very well his intent and his intimate connection. That doesn't excuse him. Neither does your support excuse him.


Again the only association made was that they were disorders that children have. Never states autism causes death. Yet I'd argue on the side it can without proper supports where applicable subjectively to individuals due to lack of supportive quality of life. If you don't like Autism being compared to other serious conditions that's one thing but calling something a fallacy when it was never compared in the manner you portray then it's simply a fallacy of a presumptive projected fallacy relfection.

100% support!


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07 Sep 2011, 5:02 am

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Again the only association made was that they were disorders that children have. Never states autism causes death. Yet I'd argue on the side it can without proper supports where applicable subjectively to individuals due to lack of supportive quality of life. If you don't like Autism being compared to other serious conditions that's one thing but calling something a fallacy when it was never compared in the manner you portray then it's simply a fallacy of a presumptive projected fallacy relfection.

No, this is actually an association fallacy. Comparing the numbers of diagnosis of autism with the numbers of cancer diagnoses is an assocation fallacy. That isn't any sort of joke ci. That's actually a real fallacy. Also as for serious conditions autism doesn;t cause death. Also it was compared in the manner I complained about. I didn't portray anything. i said it is what it is. Really, look it up. This fallacy does exist. Also there's no such fallacy as you just said at the end. Also why the need to insult me?



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07 Sep 2011, 5:09 am

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Again the only association made was that they were disorders that children have. Never states autism causes death. Yet I'd argue on the side it can without proper supports where applicable subjectively to individuals due to lack of supportive quality of life. If you don't like Autism being compared to other serious conditions that's one thing but calling something a fallacy when it was never compared in the manner you portray then it's simply a fallacy of a presumptive projected fallacy relfection.

No, this is actually an association fallacy. Comparing the numbers of diagnosis of autism with the numbers of cancer diagnoses is an assocation fallacy. That isn't any sort of joke ci. That's actually a real fallacy. Also as for serious conditions autism doesn;t cause death. Also it was compared in the manner I complained about. I didn't portray anything. i said it is what it is. Really, look it up. This fallacy does exist. Also there's no such fallacy as you just said at the end. Also why the need to insult me?


If you believe you are insulted that's your belief but does not reflect the fact of the intent. I do not agree with you. I support the videos author 100%.


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07 Sep 2011, 5:17 am

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No, this is actually an association fallacy. Comparing the numbers of diagnosis of autism with the numbers of cancer diagnoses is an assocation fallacy. That isn't any sort of joke ci. That's actually a real fallacy. Also as for serious conditions autism doesn;t cause death. Also it was compared in the manner I complained about. I didn't portray anything. i said it is what it is. Really, look it up. This fallacy does exist. Also there's no such fallacy as you just said at the end. Also why the need to insult me?


If you believe you are insulted that's your belief but does not reflect the fact of the intent. I do not agree with you. I support the videos author 100%.

Look anyone's intent still doesn't shift that a fallacy occured. I don't feel insulted that he made an association. I feel annoyed that he'd make such an obvious logical mistake of a trick. Just because people believe soemthing doesn't make them correct. Evidence does. Your support doesn't change anything.[/quote]



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07 Sep 2011, 5:21 am

That's fine with me. The public will ultimately decide and that's all that matters.


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07 Sep 2011, 5:29 am

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That's fine with me. The public will ultimately decide and that's all that matters.

Argumentum ad populam. The public decides what happens but it cannot decide what is and is not fact. That is the beauty of the truth. It bends to no one. It can only be obscured.



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07 Sep 2011, 5:37 am

Obviously just as everyone has a butt they also have opinions and myself and you included. This conversation comes down to opinion and not fact.


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07 Sep 2011, 5:44 am

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Obviously just as everyone has a butt they also have opinions and myself and you included. This conversation comes down to opinion and not fact.

I am sorry but where a logical fallacy occurs is a fact. It isn't down to people to decide whether it did happen. They only recognise whether it did or didn't. That's the nub of this. Whether a logical fallacy occured. I don't decide anything on opinion here.



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07 Sep 2011, 5:51 am

We just don't see eye to eye on the matter as the saying goes and that's that as another saying goes.


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