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06 Sep 2011, 4:42 pm

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The fact is that people have not actually tried to seek cure for people with Down's Syndrome when all they have done is decided to abort the fetus after screening it for the presence of downs. They didn't actually want to get rid of the baby but they just didn't want one with downs because it's a burden. In this case people make it so life is cheap. I doubt in reality many think better of us. To many our differences are just a straight up impediment. And I think that's the whole thing, the screening process. That's why people like ASAN note this, although in actuality they don't actually talk much about it like you profess that they do.
your actualy,and edwards syndrome ab rates are even higher

So yeah, for all your proclamations of people referring to how abortion is a scare tactic the fact is that it is well-documented with many other disabilities where people have found a way to screen for various syndromes. Therefore it is not a scare tactic at all. It's actually a careful extrapolation of existing evidence and current social trends. Attempting to call it a scare tactic I can only imagine would only be used from then on as an attempt to confuse, misrepresent and demonize people that doesn't actually tackle the merit of the opinion of at all and stunts real debate and furthermore puts lives in jepoardy.


The abortion issue is certainly well seeded psycho-socially in this regard.


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06 Sep 2011, 4:43 pm

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you agreed with me when i pointed out scare tactics against the asan.your right about valid reason for there to be concern about abortion.i was simply pointing out alot of the time it is used to minipulative.the asan isnt realy that anti ab there more anti pre natal.and i dont think its fair to say autism speaks is pro abortion when pre natal testing cant even predict it yet.let me put it this way,abortion is over talked about mostly for political perposes


Correct and like a weed effecting other issues.


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07 Sep 2011, 3:03 am

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you agreed with me when i pointed out scare tactics against the asan.your right about valid reason for there to be concern about abortion.i was simply pointing out alot of the time it is used to minipulative.the asan isnt realy that anti ab there more anti pre natal.and i dont think its fair to say autism speaks is pro abortion when pre natal testing cant even predict it yet.let me put it this way,abortion is over talked about mostly for political perposes

Aye, and that is the thing to keep in mind about all of this. ANyone who thinks ASAN is trying to take an actual dig at autism speaks or similar groups when they talk about abortion isn't actually listening. They're pointing out what will actually happen if anyone pushes for pre-natal. Although of course I wouldn't rule it saout as any group's agenda til I have more info.