the way NTs see us

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Meow.

Saying "everybody is wrong" is not the truth, that's not why you should call him an idiot, because he have a extreme vision. I don't think he like that, and I don't think it's very helpful. I see the OP posted in the Haven and that he's in depression. He's not idiot then, just depressive. Else, I was an idiot too when I was depressive...

@the OP : It could be hard to encounter some open-minded NTs, but there are some wise NTs too... like Ilka. I must admit that people can have a wrong vision of autism because of misinformation, or because of stupidity... but I don't think that all your town think like that. And why do they see you like that, "disgusting and diseased" ?

If you really need someone, you will find. Just ignore the other. I think that 99% of Aspie have encountered a lot of stupid guys, it hurts, but you don't need them, they're not your family, not your friends, and even if they were (and don't kow that you're autistic) they would be stupid, it's just your neighbors or something like that, so why should you care about what they think ?

sMeow.

You take his word that everyone is evil so you decide to ignore only him. Come on lau there's better ways to deal with this.

Aspie48 I know you have gotten a lot of flak but please listen to me. Quite a few see us as ret*ds. Don't say all though. Proclaiming that all people think something without actually knowing is wrong, especially given the evidence we have above. Quite a few NTs see us as ret*ds is correct. Too many Nts see us as ret*ds and this is a dangerously common view is correct. Just 'NTs' or anything that suggests all isn't really correct. I see your last comment does make sense despite what you said earlier. Disingeuousity

Because? Well whatever just make a new word that doesn't 'sound ret*d'.

I like the term "Aspie", it's cute :>

sMeow.

Aspie48 Wrote:

Although I think it is wrong to make the sweeping statement that all NT's see us as ret*ds, I have had experiences that suggest that alot of them do. I think it depends on how visibly obvious your Autism or Aspergers is, with me people don't have a clue anymore unless they start to get to know me. But I was in a university class last year with a girl with Aspergers, where it was more obvious with her as she would constantly stim and stammer with her speech. And everyone in the class constantly took the mickey out of her, and it seemed to me that they did all see her as a ret*d even though she was actually very intelligent.

And I mean everyone in the class constantly took the mickey out of her, not just a few people, and I blew up about it in class and made alot of enemies. I don't think that all NT's see us as ret*ds, but I think you can be forgiven for feeling this way sometimes.

This is true. If you are extremely social, it is simply more enjoyable to spend large amounts of time with other extremely social people. And that isn't hate.


Confusing autism with mental retardation also isn't hate. It is an error of over-generalization. For most people, learning the unspoken rules of their culture is literally the easiest thing they will ever learn. Mentally ret*d people (with no autism) will be able to learn the more obvious ones but will miss the subtle ones. A lot of people carry around a very linear concept of learning. Unwritten rules of a culture are at the bottom- the easiest to learn. Things that require explicit teaching but that most people master are in the middle- such as how to read and how to do 4-function arithmetic. Things that most people will never understand even if they attended many classes on the subject are at the top- advanced math and physics and technical arcana.

If a person has not mastered the unwritten rules of a culture- or has only mastered the blatant ones- the (incorrect) linear model of learning says that they have not mastered the middle ones either and can't because they are mentally ret*d.

The solution is to fight this linear paradigm. It is a faulty model but people are not evil for having it.

Many people have encountered somebody who has mastered the top of this linear model but not the bottom. So why does the linear model exist even given these counter-examples that people know about? It's because the common misconception is that people who have mastered the top but not the bottom have actually mastered the bottom too but that this knowledge falls off their radar frequently because they are so distracted by the higher knowledge. So the common idea is that the (possibly autistic) particle physicist knows the unspoken rules of their culture but frequently doesn't follow them out of sheer carelessness because of thinking exclusively about particle physics. It's the absent-minded professor stereotype. This is how the linear model can stay in place even given counter examples. So it is actually a very tricky thing to fight.

Aspie sounds like something you'd call a sidekick of a superhero called snakeman.

Well there might be very few people who understand but they are a very small group. Most of you are right though that group is special and should not be overlooked.

Some people think I have something wrong, some do-gooders think they can instruct me how to do something that really just gives me a skull-buster headache, some can become jealous sometimes dangerously so, some can become enamored with my abilities, some really like me.

Some of it is how we see them. An unfiltered look, that makes them think we know what is buried behind their garage.

They live a buffered life, all of them confine all of them, we are an open space.

I have found that hostility is fear manifest, and when someone asks what is wrong with me, I say, "I cannot feel pain." They find this very upsetting, and have to leave.

I am an open door to some, lifelong church members have told me they know it is all a lie. Something they would never say.

I think we see them for what they are, not what they pretend to be.

It has a lot of sides.

The best are few, never a problem, and as different as we are from the rest.

To some we are the breath of fresh air coming in the window.

No one else likes them either, they just fit in better.

Do good works, good people will hear of it.

I think the word 'some' at the beginning of that sentence would make it a lot more accurate.

Rather than hating us, or wanting to kill us, I get the feeling some NTs just want us to go away, like they want beggars and drunkards to be removed from their neighbourhood. We are "inconvenient" and make them uneasy, so to speak. It might be because they have a concept of how human interaction should be done, and since some of us function differently they don´t know how to act.
But then there are times when you meet jerks who say stuff like "What do you mean 'neurodiversity', you´re just making excuses. Admit it, you´re just stupid/ret*d."

i would agree. my statements were about what they would do to us if there were no laws protecting us.

How can they know that you are different?Telepathic powers?

How we act?