None of us really believe Intense World Theory, right?

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I agree with pretty much everything in the theory except for the toxic insult in the womb cause.
I do think a physical mishap during pregnancy or birth could trigger the autism genes though. For example; Asperger's runs in my dad's side of the family. I was born three months premature and am a full-blown aspie. My dad had a normal birth and only has a few aspie traits. My dad's brother had a difficult birth and was a total aspie before Asperger's even existed as a disorder.

I wonder if the researchers have studied whole family lines like mine

Auto immune diseases could be related to the toxic insult in the womb. If the mother had an auto-immune disease then her antibodies could be said toxin. It's probably not the only answer but it might be part of it.

"Genes" are not the same thing as "inheritance" and there are numerous other forms of inheritance which fit under the broader category of Epigenetics.

Genetic mutation is a very slow way to bring about changes in an organismal line. Alterations in epigenetic patterns, however, can bring changes on within a single generation. This can be through a number of causes; one of them could be medication.

I think the general reason why autistics on WP and other related communities so fervently fight the concept that a medication might play a vital role in the expression of the autistic phenotype is for two main reasons:

1) The unfortunate concept, perpetuated by both the media and also how scientists have interpreted their data for the last half a century, that genes are everything. In the context of the cell, they are one important part of the whole, and while they may act as a good "time clock" of mutation in measuring biological relatedness of evolutionary lines, they do not tell you what the phenotype (the expression) is. As mentioned, there are many more modes of inheritance than at the genetic level. Such a concept of a separation of Nature and Nurture, and now Genes and Environment, was unfortunately started by Galton, the cousin of Darwin, and perpetuated over the last couple centuries. It is not an accurate portrayal of how a cell actually works. (If you want to read a good book on this topic, see The Mirage of a Space between Nature and Nurture by Evelyn Fox Keller.)

2) Somehow, if the cause of autism doesn't lie in the gene but instead in the surrounding environment, that means autistics are defective and should be cured.

It doesn't matter, in an ethical sense, whether autism is caused by a single gene, multiple gene combinations, or epigenetics and environment. Autism is what it is, not matter the cause. And you can either sit there, plug your fingers in your ears, and go LA LA LA LA LA LA, or you can get comfortable with the idea that EVERY organism is in large part a reflection of the environment in which it developed.

I dont really care if I'm the result of toxic insult. I still love being autistic.

I think the toxic stuff is a little too overblown. But the theory itself supports everything I've gathered in the last few years. I once defined Aspergers as "oversensory perception" for lack of a better term, and this theory puts it into more specific language.

i dont know about all the talk of toxicisity in the womb or whatever.the part about autstics having a higher level of reactivity in right

I explain it to people like this:

Someone on LSD may be acting ridiculous, but they will later describe an overwhelmingly intense sensory experience and a terrifying and enlightening state of consciousness.

The autism spectrum is like varying doses of LSD. Those on small doses can still function, but experience a radically different state of consciousness that makes them act a bit peculiar. Those on very high doses are profoundly impaired - BUT they are still experiencing one hell of a trip.

I think autistics see the world as it really is. For example when I look at an old fashioned analog tube television the damn thing flickers because it use interlace scanning and it's like looking through a set of venetian blinds. And every time something moves it's like the picture went through a slicer. But neurotypicals can't see a problem and call me crazy.

But looking at a flat panel high definition television using progressive scanning I see a rock solid picture that does not flicker but neurotypicals don't see the improvement.

We are not an expression of our genes. I have read that our genes have been invaded. Recent reports show neanderthal and denisovan, but that is only a part, and recent.

Hardly different from a chimp, and a moasic of all forms that came before.

We become humans due to a small part of our genome. A modification of what came before.

If it was only our past. But, our DNA has been invaded by every common cold.

Many things have latched on, and fill spaces in our DNA. Mostly they are dormant, but no telling what exposure to another Virus could cause.

Besides the overload caused by media, a program was pulled in Japan because it caused small children to have convulsions. Or new chemical compounds, that never existed in the Universe, and we produce about 80,000 new ones every year, we also live in the post steamship, aircraft era, that transports Virus and others, everywhere on earth every twelve hours.

The era starts with the 1918 Flu, spread to every port, which killed 50,000,000.

Progress is an insane experiment for a species that never went more than ten miles from where it was born, until recently.

Our DNA may be half our Mozaic line, and half other things they were exposed to. Some, like the 1918 Flu had obvious symptoms, some delayed, like HIV, but most have no symptoms, they are hidden stowaways.

Recently read that the Organellas in our cells may be an infection, that modifyed the cell to make it more like home.

The Germ Model made it us vs them, but Biology is saying, a long line of illegal immigrants have Colonized us, Modified us, invaded our governing DNA, and become Naturalized.

I doubt the 1918 Flu wanted to kill it's host, Like Ebola and Parrot Fever that limits your range. They just want a place in the world, in us.

Toxic insult in the womb is just as likely caused by old immigrants reacting to new immigrants, who would occupy the same space.

All of nature is a battlefield, including us, where other parties fight for Truth, Justice, and the Viral Way. We have observed that nature uses Chemical and Biological Warfare.

We are nowhere near smart enough to figure this out, we can only deal with results. In 1918 the thing to do was bury them, With Autism the thing to do is grow them very slowly. Once they become overloaded it triggers a cascade response, they go defensive, and if this can be avoided, they will gain control of their own minds in time.

When Tesla was young, still in Europe, and having recently moved from his rural Serbian origen, to the wild world of Germany, France, he had an attack of Nerves. Nerves used to be a European ailment. Like many other cases, the Doctors said, go spend a year in the mountains, away from people, out walking, This isolation from everything cure worked.

After he was cured Tesla lived a more private life, and functioned well within limits. He described his childhood as sitting by a creek watching water flow around rocks.

This seems best for us, creeks and rocks, skip Germany, cities, and go directly to the mountains, then live a private life. Tesla had close relations with about six people, his parents, the two men who worked in his lab, and the publisher and his wife of Century Magazine. Other than that Pigeons, he knew lots of pigeons.

Autism is autism, some things work, some do not. Within a low level of input, an isolated life, we do function well and develop. The best life for us is the only goal, we are rare and often useful, if we can function as ourselves.

There is no point in turning us into neurotypicals, there is a surplus of them, and they are a defective and cheaply made product.

We will never fit in that world, any better than they could play Pro Football.

Autism Replies TM, The voice from the other side.

I am agreeing with the Markrams, and citing historical treatments that worked. The Markrams say the same, a rich but limited world.

I am also commenting on Genetic Insults, pointing out our long history with Virus, and that being the most likely main cause. TV and Chemicals are recent, autism has long been around.

We do not know enough to find a cause, but we do know the best way to treat the person.

The least expensive treatment, the best outcome, is all we can do for current autistics. A secluded place in the mountains, time to develop at their own pace. Medical Reports say it works on young adults.