How can I spread awareness of neurodiversity?

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Why destroy the anti-cure movement neurodiversity movement? Diversity is a good thing. We aren't the only ones who come up with good ideas.

Thank you. I understand now. I believe I touch on that in the post above.

Longshanks

Please keep in mind that AS was not defined until the 1940s, and not officially recognized until the 1990s. Therefore, saying that Charlemagne or any other historical figure had it is making a huge assumption - there is no way to prove that anyone who died undiagnosed actually had Asperger's Syndrome.

I want research into things which can actually help the low functioning. research into a cure has wasted millions with no results. millions that could have gone into helping non verbals to communicate. that technology has shown results with vast improvement in people's lives. genetic cures have shown nothing in the past 10 years. My side has positive results for LFAs yours doesn't, so thats a moot point you're arguing. And btw, if they can communicate they can choose, so that will let them decide. would you rather keep them silent so you can speak for them?
Ever heard of Alfred Hoch? you follow right in his line whether you like it or not. He was into utilitarian medicine. His motto was "relieve suffering at all costs". He invented electroshock therapy.

and yeah, you read that right. If you were to give neurodiversity some respect i would respect pro cure.

What else could help besides cure? Behavioral therapies have been somewhat of a help, like ABA, but you thumb your noses at that too. But even they can only help so much. Research into cure needs time. And it's not like it's funded highly enough.


No yours doesn't. What have you done at all? Do you even pay attention to the stuff I've been talking of with others regarding the science involved?


Many can't communicate sufficiently now to tell their choice due to being impaired. Hello! It's your side that approves of others not having the ability to communicate sufficiently. You approve of the monopolization of talent and aptitude by the high-functioning, which is leaving the lower-functioning without basic abilities.

I never heard of that old throwback who invented that "therapy" I tend to focus on contemporary science and technology which is of enormous capacity compared to the ignorant nonsense of 70-80 years ago. You bring this up because you can't debate against the progressive and promising things that is emerging nowadays.

well if you deny all the stuff we have done then i can't have a discussion with you.

What have you done?

What is so wrong about being ok with neurodiversity? everyone's brain does not work the same way.......trying to force everyone's brain to work the same way is not only rather stupid considering it would be impossible but quite screwed up. I think it is more realistic to acknowledge there are different ways of functioning and that its OK and it is. But you're certainly still entitled to your opinion.

I just don't get the premise. I don't know if there are different ways for a brain to work. But there sometimes are brains that have problems where they can't work, and brains vary in the amounts of tasks they can do. I don't think the brain should be perceived of as an innate part of someone's identity. I think it would make sense to consider it like an object of necessity, like a machine or tool.

Perhaps suspected would be a better word. Nonetheless, with the geneology I have done over the past 35 years, I have managed to trace a number of medical conditions back through the generations to create patterns which are useful to various physicians. And I have read a number of works concerning the tendancies of my ancestors that have led a number of people to make logical hypotheses (spelling?) based on what is known. So while I concur with your post, I see nothing wrong with relying on scholarly third party documentation.

Well clearly there are different ways for a brain to work hence the reason a neurotypical brain does not work like an autistic brain...this is also true with other disorders most mental disorders have to do with some difference of brain functioning. Also the brain is pretty much what makes someone who they are, trying to change everyone's brain to fit some mold is BS. The body is more of an object of necessity and a machine/tool but ones body does not define their personality.

The appropriate use for the sort of cure/treatment your talking about is when everything else has been tried, failed and with that individuals consent. So unless any of these organizations who claim to help the autism cause or whatever are willing to look at other things such as the environment and social factors and how the contribute to the mental health of people with autism and what could possibly be done about that if they are having a negative impact, its going to seem they are more concerned with trying to make everyone fit a mold than the well being of the people they claim to help.

But there are still disparities in aptitude within NT and autistic populations, which is the problem.


Not all aspects of the brain make someone innately who they are. The aspects that determine ability could change with identity being the same.

A lot of those things have been looked into before. I wonder what else could be learned from it, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that there could be help based on that. Lots of autistics have supportive and benevolent environments and communities, but don't gain functioning as a result.

While there may not be a diagnosis for the historical figures, the children of Charlemagne do seem to have it, so it's entirely possible that others of his issue share it also.



Nice to meet you cousin

I think we're using two different sets of info and different assumption. I think when we solve the disease of aging we will have everything we need to make it happen. LFAs IIRC have fewer brain cells and less complex brains. Stimulating the growth of their brains might do the trick or at least bring us closer should this be the LFA's choice, and it will be possible when more is understood about growth factors, hormones, and related systems.

Neurodiversity TMK, is just the acceptance of differences in society and social situations, just the same as we accept people of different nationalities and religions. Something else I've thought is that we have our own culture and social cues that exist relative to our genetic expression which is largely due to understanding ourselves. However, we spend so much of our lives trying to fit in that we never develop or understand our social standards, our relative scarcity doesn't help either, we need to experience each other to understand ourselves. All possibilities of abstract representation aside, we don't compare New Yorkers to Zulus or think that someone who grew up in NY could live in a Zulu culture without making a significant amount of social gaffs... So why be expected to learn how to live from someone who is not part of our neurogenetic culture? Why be judged by their metric.

Some other thoughts on our neurogenetic culture...

Surprising as it may be, I've learned a bit of culture from LFAs. My Aunt does adult adoption, she at one point had an LFA, and an LFA savant and I did observe that there were cues that they shared, and even gained some insight on their neurochemistry. They had a definite culture between them when they thought no one was watching/listening and had been moved around more than once and met lots of others like themselves. I've also learned clues as to our evolution through observation and hope to observe more when next my Aunt adopts.

Nice to meet you too, cousin! Are you descended from Charlemagne or a different figure that mentioned? Please let me know. I've traced the family back to 200 BC. I may have some info that you might want.

Longshanks

Charlemagne, maybe some of the others, don't know much about my genealogy, just a few key points, sent you a pm.

Maybe not perfect neurotypical functioning...but yes a positive healthy environment can definitely help someone function better.