15 yo Asperger Teen Shot Dead by Police
Thank you so much for that explanation. The fact is that there were other options. The police could have even stopped after they shot him in the leg - they didn't have to continue to shoot him in the head. They could have tasered him. They could have worked with him from outside the room or house until he calmed down.
Because of the area this happened in, race is being brought into play. If you know the Chicago land area, you know how bad the profiling and racism is within police departments and segments of the population. I don't like that people are bringing race into this, but the fact is that had this been a white autistic child, you bet it would have gotten nation-wide press coverage. I have no idea of the race of the officers. Whether any aspect of this case is related to race, it doesn't matter to me, I still feel the same way about the story, family and situation. Basically the police in our area do what they like. They are above the law. Look at Scott Peterson. How bout the cop that beat the woman at the bar on video? Or the one that hit someone while driving drunk...the list goes on. The police here are so corrupt.
Once this case is in court, more details could come out showing the police were justified, I don't know. I do think the family should get their day in court.
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This isn't very important now but; Why were the police even called? Arn't you only supposed to call the police in an emergency? Not because your kid is being a brat?
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bjtao - please do not post the same thing into several forums.
I've copied the replies from identical threads you started in the Parents' Discussion and General Autism Discussion forums and removed those threads, leaving just this one.
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Do you ever wonder if maybe the cops seized the opportunity to shoot him because they were busy and frustrated and sick of being the solution to family problems??
Do you ever wonder how much of the nastiness in this world boils down to that? "You are an inconvenience and I'm sick of dealing with you. I'd shoot you if I could, but I can't, so I'm going to treat you like s**t and hope you either shut up, go away, or both."
I think a lot.
It makes me want to quit trying.
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The police may have had the mentality of solve this once and for all, with vaguely thinking of bullying him, manhandling him, treating him in disrepectful fashion.
Then he pulls a knife and the police are then "justified" in shooting him.
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All I can think of is a "WTF!? perverted logic" caused this outcome. We can debate the psychology ALL we want but the outcome has already happened and there is no turning back unfortunately.
I know people with AS have troubles with parents (we all do) but I think there may have been a race factor in this as someone who lightly knows Chicago, there is HUGE profiling there that its not even funny (as said by someone earlier). I can compare this to any other big city with an urban core.
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Even though aspies may not have meltdowns very much, we do have them and sadly i do not remember what i did in all of them for time periods and so i do all i can to avoid situations that caused the really bad ones but a haze is a good analogy, or literally seeing red for me. in some ways its just as scary to myself too. I will say its been many years since the ones i went ttally nuts as it were, fortunately was with friends though because did not know what problem with myself was, many did not stay friends long. In the process of dealing with myself i learned how to help others in same situation and what weapon they pick up is irrelavant most really are not dangerous as much as frustrated and the way i would deal with a boy like that is just talk, if he tried to attack i would either avoid or disarm, and more then likely it would not happen at all. i might dash to a bathroom to pee after though.. Bottom line is with aspie or autistic going in armed with taser or gun is wrong and unnecessary period and i think that police department needs re-education and made to see how wrong their actions were. I thik a good lesson for them is how english law enforcement works with no guns because some situations its better to keep the guns away and not a use guns
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Excellent analogy. I think there's a lot to be learned from the old school English style of policing. And, there was no reason for the police to go down into the basement. They could have waited him out. As someone stated on a previous discussion, this could have been viewed as a hostage situation with him holding himself hostage, with all the respect that a hostage situation deserves.
After reading the article, the Police had obviously been called before and had obviously used the tazer on him before.
As much as I'd like to make this entirely the fault of the Police, I can't help but see their side, ANYONE comes at you with a knife (Note: Butterknife was not mentioned anywhere in that article) and slashes your arm. Now even an official person is going to default onto the stereotypically normal survival mechanisms, which usually involves bringing whatever force they can to ensure they survive, even if the attacker doesn't.
That said, I have that same feeling I get when the media reports on anything violent, that nobody actually knows what's happened and just tends to slant the facts based on their own stereotypes.
Even if it's okay for the police officer to use deadly force to defend himself at the very last minute, he should not have let the situation escalate where he was in this situation.
This. Even after the boy slashed the officer's arm, there would have been better ways to subdue a scrawny 15-year-old than shooting him in the head. Police officers should be capable of defending themselves against a knife attack without using deadly force.
It's hilarious how many misconceptions there are here that can be blamed on movies and video games.
First of all, no one who knows what they're doing with a firearm would use leg-shots as a non-lethal tactic. Don't shoot at anything you don't intend to destroy.
And secondly, a person trying to stab you with a knife is dangerous. Very dangerous. Maybe they could have done something different a little earlier, but the kid's fate was sealed after he lunged with the knife.
I was wondering a similar thing, at least taser the person or use mace, sure, it's traumatic, but at least it won't likely kill the kid compared to a reflexive gunshot, which will likely hit the chest and kill.
If someone wants to complain about use of non-lethal, well seriously, that's self-defense, and at least it goes to show that the person wielding the non-lethal method wasn't trying to kill.
There's no doubt that a butter-knife can kill, as a matter of fact, even punching or kicking to the right place could kill you. But my main question is whether or not the officer at least had some non-lethal weapons like taser, stungun, or pepper spray. Sure it would hurt, but the big point that could be made is that at least getting tased isn't as likely to kill you as an attacker as say, a gunshot to the chest or head can.
As for the taser part, I do agree, or at least hoped the kid could have gotten something that hurt rather than actually killed him.
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I understand what you are saying, although I do find that sometimes I just have to tell someone that the current situation is making me feel a little stressed out. It's nowhere near as bad as back when I was say, 10 or 11, but at times I just struggle not to do something stupid out of feeling frustrated with what is going on, and at least in that part, I can say that I've won to a great extent. But even if I should go a little bad, I could understand where something non-lethal being used on me would at least stop me in my tracks, and while yes, it would hurt, at least 1) I wouldn't be dead, and 2) It would also simply prevent me from seriously hurting other people.
I would wonder as well what kind of care was on this kid? A kid that is somewhat free to wander around is bound to get into trouble whether or not they are on the autistic spectrum.
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