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07 Jul 2012, 6:12 pm

I was talking of anti-curebies in general. They tend to be prosperous and don't make a secret of it. Some NTs seem to have been convinced of the anti-cure ideas that have been talked of. I bet they support such ideas due to not wanting too many others to be successful. I didn't claim to want to be NT. I just don't want to be disabled the way I am, as I loathe being dependent and don't like failing at things and getting humiliated. I'm indifferent as to what term I'm known by.



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07 Jul 2012, 6:18 pm

Ok

so have we got out our days frustrations yet


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07 Jul 2012, 6:21 pm

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I didn't make any assumptions. I didn't say any of the things you imply that I said. We do not know much of the specifics of each others' circumstances.
then why did you say i was prosperous? or conspiring with NTs? for a person who claims to want to be NT so bad its funny that you would use association with NTs as an insult.


I was talking of anti-curebies in general. They tend to be prosperous and don't make a secret of it. Some NTs seem to have been convinced of the anti-cure ideas that have been talked of. I bet they support such ideas due to not wanting too many others to be successful. I didn't claim to want to be NT. I just don't want to be disabled the way I am, as I loathe being dependent and don't like failing at things and getting humiliated. I'm indifferent as to what term I'm known by.

if you took a survey maybe you would find most of us ain't successful, or even over 18 for that matter. we also have failures. there are different ways to solve a problem. one is to sit and whine and hate oneself, the other is to face it.



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07 Jul 2012, 6:32 pm

I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.



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07 Jul 2012, 6:37 pm

good luck with that. happiness for you my friend might be found in a tinfoil package on a street corner. if you like to improve your brain with science and chemicals.



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07 Jul 2012, 9:55 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Ok

so have we got out our days frustrations yet


Doesn't look like it :)



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07 Jul 2012, 10:05 pm

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I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.


I have a question for you - how do you cure a severed limb, homosexuality or stop something that has already happened? This is rhetorical and relates back to Asperger's and a lot of other things: The simple answer is: you don't, you learn to cope and adapt and all those things form part of who you are and you embrace those things to strengthen your mind.

You could find a "cure", but not everybody will be as accepting of it for the very reason that it undermines the quality and worth of the individual. A pill to go from being "not normal" to "less than ordinary" in order to be "acceptable" (barely adquate). Yes, I believe many will love the concept of that. It sounds fantastic.



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07 Jul 2012, 11:43 pm

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I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.


I have a question for you - how do you cure a severed limb, homosexuality or stop something that has already happened? This is rhetorical and relates back to Asperger's and a lot of other things: The simple answer is: you don't, you learn to cope and adapt and all those things form part of who you are and you embrace those things to strengthen your mind.

Stay on topic. Coping is not necessary. I don't need those social worker type of persons telling me how to "cope" like I'm some drug addicted creep. Fundamental needs must be met or problems inevitably will remain.

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You could find a "cure", but not everybody will be as accepting of it for the very reason that it undermines the quality and worth of the individual. A pill to go from being "not normal" to "less than ordinary" in order to be "acceptable" (barely adquate). Yes, I believe many will love the concept of that. It sounds fantastic.

Permission from the elites is not needed or sought for this goal. That kind of permission is all that is really meant by the idea of acceptance. The quality and worth of the individual shouldn't be measured according to their benefit to those of much higher ability, who exploit that person by making them a subject of charity and keeping them from competing on an equitable level with them. I basically don't get what you're getting at. But you seem to not want to confront the issue of disability involved, as you know the reality is very unfair and indefensible.



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08 Jul 2012, 12:02 am

dalurker wrote:
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I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.


I have a question for you - how do you cure a severed limb, homosexuality or stop something that has already happened? This is rhetorical and relates back to Asperger's and a lot of other things: The simple answer is: you don't, you learn to cope and adapt and all those things form part of who you are and you embrace those things to strengthen your mind.

Stay on topic. Coping is not necessary. I don't need those social worker type of persons telling me how to "cope" like I'm some drug addicted creep. Fundamental needs must be met or problems inevitably will remain.

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You could find a "cure", but not everybody will be as accepting of it for the very reason that it undermines the quality and worth of the individual. A pill to go from being "not normal" to "less than ordinary" in order to be "acceptable" (barely adquate). Yes, I believe many will love the concept of that. It sounds fantastic.

Permission from the elites is not needed or sought for this goal. That kind of permission is all that is really meant by the idea of acceptance. The quality and worth of the individual shouldn't be measured according to their benefit to those of much higher ability, who exploit that person by making them a subject of charity and keeping them from competing on an equitable level with them. I basically don't get what you're getting at. But you seem to not want to confront the issue of disability involved, as you know the reality is very unfair and indefensible.
how was he off topic and what does the elite have to do with anything


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08 Jul 2012, 12:06 am

He was mentioning severed limbs and homosexuality. That's not the topic. Elites are the ones who are super-intelligent, who can do many things, and therefore become successful. Some of them don't want others to have the advantage they have, which is what cure would bring. I think the elites have too much control over things. I think you can follow this discussion.



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08 Jul 2012, 12:30 am

he was making an analogy within a point which was clearly on topic.


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08 Jul 2012, 12:55 am

dalurker wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
dalurker wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
dalurker wrote:
I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.


I have a question for you - how do you cure a severed limb, homosexuality or stop something that has already happened? This is rhetorical and relates back to Asperger's and a lot of other things: The simple answer is: you don't, you learn to cope and adapt and all those things form part of who you are and you embrace those things to strengthen your mind.

Stay on topic. Coping is not necessary. I don't need those social worker type of persons telling me how to "cope" like I'm some drug addicted creep. Fundamental needs must be met or problems inevitably will remain.

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You could find a "cure", but not everybody will be as accepting of it for the very reason that it undermines the quality and worth of the individual. A pill to go from being "not normal" to "less than ordinary" in order to be "acceptable" (barely adquate). Yes, I believe many will love the concept of that. It sounds fantastic.

Permission from the elites is not needed or sought for this goal. That kind of permission is all that is really meant by the idea of acceptance. The quality and worth of the individual shouldn't be measured according to their benefit to those of much higher ability, who exploit that person by making them a subject of charity and keeping them from competing on an equitable level with them. I basically don't get what you're getting at. But you seem to not want to confront the issue of disability involved, as you know the reality is very unfair and indefensible.
how was he off topic and what does the elite have to do with anything


He was mentioning severed limbs and homosexuality. That's not the topic. Elites are the ones who are super-intelligent, who can do many things, and therefore become successful. Some of them don't want others to have the advantage they have, which is what cure would bring. I think the elites have too much control over things. I think you can follow this discussion.
also why do you see them as elite and who are you to call them that anyway.

you here carrying a conversation with everyone and sounding as inteligent if not more inteligent then everyone else.your hiding behind the
most disabled among us just to defeat an arguement


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08 Jul 2012, 2:23 am

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...for us.



Here are the reasons summed up why we must not support Autism Squeaks.

List of reasons not to support Autism Speaks (aka Autism Squeaks, Autism Shrieks, etc)

1. They told me to say nothing if I had nothing positive to say about Autism Speaks. I tell them to say something postive about autism. I didn’t, however, tell them to not speak if they had nothing good to say about it, just that they should not spread FALSE propaganda that autism ruins lives and marriages and families, that autistics are hopeless without their treatments (some of which are abusive).
2. They threatened at least two autistic people (one who made a parody of the Autism Speaks website and another who made a t-shirt saying he didn’t need Autism Speaks because he was autistic and could speak for himself). The two people came out triumphant, however… there’s this little thing called fair use that includes parodies and comments.
3. They say autism is a negative thing.
4. They propose some abusive treatments for some autistics, or all.
5. They are trying to develop a genetic test that will ensure that nobody autistic is ever born again on this planet. Even if it is meant to simply plan for the child’s life, the truth is that there are a lot of ignorant people out there who will abort their children after learning they are autistic.
6. The corporate greed is the reason Autism Speaks exists. They want us to think there is a crisis to direct our attention away from their scam. We are not a tragedy. The same with other things, like gangs, school shootings, missing children, etc. They use that stuff to get our attention away from the bigger issues... THEM. Also, they want us to believe we are a tragedy so that money can be made for or given to them to erase us from the world, when really they want that money for themselves... corporate greed.
7. They also don't let all autistics speak for themselves, and claim to speak for autistics even tho they are NT, but they will not let autistics speak for other autistics, saying we can't speak for them.
8. They think treatment is the only chance for certain, most or all autistics to lead a productive/meaningful/functional life, when some people who are severely “low-functioning” grow up to be extremely high functioning with NO help whatsoever.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt177883.html

Everyone of these "urban internet myths" has been solidly refuted with third party evidence per the link above. If you don't want to peruse the full content, in the comprehensive thread above, that also provides evidence of the benefit of the organization to the full spectrum of autism, I will be happy to provide the evidence for you here, but it is evidenced as another opportunity for the organization to continue to receive further advertisement for brand name recognition, as detailed in the link above.

But, perhaps you could start here with what their research mission and goals actually are for the current year. These are the current beneficial research efforts directed at the full autism spectrum.

http://www.autismspeaks.org/sites/default/files/documents/science-grants/2012_research_emphasis_areas_general__1_17.pdf

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Autism Speaks supports global biomedical research into the diagnosis, causes, prevention, and treatment of autism or its disabling symptoms. Our mission is to improve the future for all who struggle with autism spectrum disorders. In support of that mission we provide funding along the entire research continuum - from discovery to development to dissemination - for innovative projects that hold considerable promise for significantly improving the lives of those affected by autism.

Autism Speaks research funding will be restricted to projects that address one of the following priorities:

Understand environmental risk factors and their interaction with genetic susceptibility to enable prevention and improve diagnosis and treatment

Discover biomarkers that can improve risk assessment and subtype stratification that will allow for an individualized approach to treatment

Improve quality of life through more effective medicines, behavioral interventions, and technologies

Enhance diagnosis and treatment of underserved and under-studied populations, specifically,
Nonverbal persons with ASD
Ethnically-diverse and/or low resource communities
Adults
Those with medical co-morbidities

Disseminate and implement evidence-based clinical practices to the broader community worldwide


The organization already is evidenced as having 340,000 volunteers that participate in an average charitable walk every other day across the nation, with millions of additional supporters that support these volunteers in their charitable efforts in the walks to help individuals on the autism spectrum, by supporting and funding autism speaks mission.

They really don't need any more free advertisement as there are a multitude of other organizations that don't get the same media exposure as Autism Speaks gets as the most popular and largest autism advocacy organization in the world, but autistic online communities continue to carry the banner of brand name recognition highlighted topics, providing anyone the opportunity to do a google search on their own and find out the organization is among the highest rated autism charitable organizations by the third party watchdog group, Charity navigator; has a CEO that makes less than the median salaries among large charitable organizations in the Northeast per that same watchdog group analysis, and has a comprehensive website that details all the beneficial efforts that the organization provides with a simple search of Autism Speaks on google, as well as with a simple search on the charity navigator site.

But to make it even easier, here are the links:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12720

http://www.autismspeaks.org/sites/default/files/documents/as_annual_report_2010-web_01.pdf

And if you'll notice in the first paragraph of the second link, the origin and intent of the catchy trademarked phrase "Autism Speaks" has nothing to do with speaking for individuals that can speak for themselves with autism, as quoted in the excerpt below:

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Dear Friends,

It’s hard to believe that five years have passed since we founded Autism Speaks. What began as an idea to give a voice to millions of families around the nation affected by autism has evolved into the largest autism science and advocacy organization in the world. We are incredibly proud of what Autism Speaks has accomplished in such a short span of time and so thankful to our friend Bernie Marcus for his support and his $25 million donation to help launch this organization.


It's highly unlikely that anyone in the general public, among the average 1500 hundred visitors that peruse this site at any given moment, are going to believe hyperbolic urban internet myths, when those myths are so easy to refute, with just a couple of mouse clicks.

There is no way the organization would receive the high ratings they do if those urban internet myths had credibility. However, if they haven't heard the brand name autism speaks before, it is a potential of another financial supporter for that organization.

Not likely that many people reporting they are financially strapped that actually post here are going to be able to afford that, and it certainly wouldn't be something that an organization supporting those with a potentially disabling disorder would expect.

But, there are many people that visit this site, to learn about autism, not here to post, that have deep enough pockets as potential financial supporters, whom also have family members or friends with autism spectrum disorders that struggle with disabling symptoms of those disorders, making up a target audience of potential supporters.

The last thing that target audience is going to want someone to tell them is that autism is not a potential problem worthy of research, awareness, and educational efforts to help individuals whom do struggle with disabling symptoms and co-morbid conditions, when they see it in real life.

This is the mission that autism speaks funds, through the help of those whom financially support the organization. It is a mainstay of concern among the general public.

Continuing a focus on highlighted topics associated with Autism Speaks, likely has a net benefit per net dollars funded to that organization. The organization is definitely evidenced as doing positive things for individuals with autism spectrum disorders, so it can't hurt to continue the conversation, in indirect support for the organization, through brand name recognition for that larger potential target audience out there browsing through the green highlighted topic threads here.

The organization may appreciate that indirect support you have provided by starting one more of hundreds of threads started here associated with that catchy phrase. The more controversial and hyperbolic the threads are, particularly the topics that grab attention, the longer the potential name brand recognition continues on for one more potential financial supporter for the organization. The topic description you provide is an excellent, and unique one, for continued attention to keep the Autism Speaks conversation and brand name recognition going.



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08 Jul 2012, 7:04 am

Just a quick note: treatment of comorbids is okay, but to cure the autism itself is not. Also, those ho can't speak can use alternative ways of communication-- writing, picture cards, gestures, sounds, even blinking one's eyes. Why should someone have to speak for THEM?


If anyone forces a cure for autism on me I will kill them. If anyone tries to speak for all autistics like Autism Speaks does, I will spread the word... which shows I can speak for myself.



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08 Jul 2012, 7:47 am

Well, based on the conversations that I see, I can see where this is going. And I think our brother Aghogday is right -- free search-engine optimization (SEO) for Autism Speaks. But given the flow of the conversations that is in here, I think the SEO is heading towards the negative -- putting bad images for the group whom Aghogday is seeming to represent. With badmouthing from the autistic community, I don't think lengthy explanations is something one can do to refute the voice of many, now do they?

I know I'm a newbie here, and I don't have much a voice, but just sharing my thoughts on the matter.



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vermontsavant wrote:
dalurker wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
dalurker wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
dalurker wrote:
I'm convinced the way to solve the core problem is through science/technology, and thereby improving the brain itself through curative treatments.


I have a question for you - how do you cure a severed limb, homosexuality or stop something that has already happened? This is rhetorical and relates back to Asperger's and a lot of other things: The simple answer is: you don't, you learn to cope and adapt and all those things form part of who you are and you embrace those things to strengthen your mind.

Stay on topic. Coping is not necessary. I don't need those social worker type of persons telling me how to "cope" like I'm some drug addicted creep. Fundamental needs must be met or problems inevitably will remain.

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You could find a "cure", but not everybody will be as accepting of it for the very reason that it undermines the quality and worth of the individual. A pill to go from being "not normal" to "less than ordinary" in order to be "acceptable" (barely adquate). Yes, I believe many will love the concept of that. It sounds fantastic.

Permission from the elites is not needed or sought for this goal. That kind of permission is all that is really meant by the idea of acceptance. The quality and worth of the individual shouldn't be measured according to their benefit to those of much higher ability, who exploit that person by making them a subject of charity and keeping them from competing on an equitable level with them. I basically don't get what you're getting at. But you seem to not want to confront the issue of disability involved, as you know the reality is very unfair and indefensible.
how was he off topic and what does the elite have to do with anything


He was mentioning severed limbs and homosexuality. That's not the topic. Elites are the ones who are super-intelligent, who can do many things, and therefore become successful. Some of them don't want others to have the advantage they have, which is what cure would bring. I think the elites have too much control over things. I think you can follow this discussion.
also why do you see them as elite and who are you to call them that anyway.

you here carrying a conversation with everyone and sounding as inteligent if not more inteligent then everyone else.your hiding behind the
most disabled among us just to defeat an arguement


Please don't act oblivious of what I'm talking of. Don't get me started on my disabilities.