israel's "autism law" amd its harmfull impacts
Fnord wrote:
themanfromuranus wrote:
the new law is that there a Committee of curebies who are the one who decide what an autistic person is need and not the person himself
This is good, as it lessens the likelihood that the system will be abused and defrauded by fakers.
themanfromuranus wrote:
it is problematic because people like me who are completely independed will not get any support
That seems fair, since by definition an independent person is someone who doesn't need support.
Post the link to the article. I will translate its contents.
Or do you expect the rest of us to simply trust you as to what it says?

first of all,the committe is consisting of autism haters(curebie parents and psyciatrists who hates autistic people)
second even if somebody is indepandet they still need some kind of support.
and to the last, here it is,fnord can you translate it please ?ACI
themanfromuranus wrote:
well,about yair lapid,why do you think he had proposed the "autism law",he is a curebie and he is the same as auti$m speak$.
and about israel,it is a sh@#t hole,this country is a capitalist and imperialist state who is fillied with a strange combination of hypocricity and openly racism agains every one,as a marxist and left wing supporter israel is a hell to me,i am planing to make the IDF think i am insane and skip the army service and then go study abroad,i am hopping to start a new life in a western country.
ps: it is nice to meet a fellow communist,my friend
and about israel,it is a sh@#t hole,this country is a capitalist and imperialist state who is fillied with a strange combination of hypocricity and openly racism agains every one,as a marxist and left wing supporter israel is a hell to me,i am planing to make the IDF think i am insane and skip the army service and then go study abroad,i am hopping to start a new life in a western country.
ps: it is nice to meet a fellow communist,my friend

If you do decide to come to the US, you should come to Massachusetts. People are very tolerant of foreigners and minorities in the Boston area, as well as other parts of the state. Then again, if you moved to a more religious state, being from the place that the Christians regard as being the most perfect place on earth with the most perfect people on earth would probably be good for your reputation, but you still probably wouldn't be well liked for being on the autism spectrum. I hear that it's also nice for foreigners and minorities in the Toronto area of Ontario, Canada. Maybe you'd rather move there.
BuyerBeware wrote:
Good luck with the new life in a Western country.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
thank you,canada was my first choice dou to the countrys socio democratic govermant and its tolerance toward minoritys.
and i wouldnt call myself an actually "communist" i am a marxist,the difarence is that carl marx didnt mention any totalitarism or authocratic regime in hes Doctrine or books, the communism was in the soviet union,china , N korea,ethiopia in the 70s or vietnam was an missinterpetation of lenin, who took the beutifull ideas of marx and turned them into a monster.
but i get your point

Mike1 wrote:
themanfromuranus wrote:
well,about yair lapid,why do you think he had proposed the "autism law",he is a curebie and he is the same as auti$m speak$.
and about israel,it is a sh@#t hole,this country is a capitalist and imperialist state who is fillied with a strange combination of hypocricity and openly racism agains every one,as a marxist and left wing supporter israel is a hell to me,i am planing to make the IDF think i am insane and skip the army service and then go study abroad,i am hopping to start a new life in a western country.
ps: it is nice to meet a fellow communist,my friend
and about israel,it is a sh@#t hole,this country is a capitalist and imperialist state who is fillied with a strange combination of hypocricity and openly racism agains every one,as a marxist and left wing supporter israel is a hell to me,i am planing to make the IDF think i am insane and skip the army service and then go study abroad,i am hopping to start a new life in a western country.
ps: it is nice to meet a fellow communist,my friend

If you do decide to come to the US, you should come to Massachusetts. People are very tolerant of foreigners and minorities in the Boston area, as well as other parts of the state. Then again, if you moved to a more religious state, being from the place that the Christians regard as being the most perfect place on earth with the most perfect people on earth would probably be good for your reputation, but you still probably wouldn't be well liked for being on the autism spectrum. I hear that it's also nice for foreigners and minorities in the Toronto area of Ontario, Canada. Maybe you'd rather move there.

press me ! !! !!
well here is another link that is not filled with fascist and hatefull israeli propaganda
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themanfromuranus wrote:
BuyerBeware wrote:
Good luck with the new life in a Western country.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
thank you,canada was my first choice dou to the countrys socio democratic govermant and its tolerance toward minoritys.
and i wouldnt call myself an actually "communist" i am a marxist,the difarence is that carl marx didnt mention any totalitarism or authocratic regime in hes Doctrine or books, the communism was in the soviet union,china , N korea,ethiopia in the 70s or vietnam was an missinterpetation of lenin, who took the beutifull ideas of marx and turned them into a monster.
but i get your point

North Korea has never been communist, it is a cult of personality without any sort of system surrounding it. The system is worshipping the Kim dynasty, other than that there is no real clear system in the DPR Korea. Cambodia under Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin were all dictators twisting communist theories to use a more acceptable tag than the tag they really deserved : "dictator"
I would say Cuba is a good example of how communism works in modern times. If the embargo wasn't there, it'd be really well off. Yugoslavia was a good example too under Joseph Tito, when Tito died however no capable follow-up was provided and the different entities within Yugoslavia ended up in civil war.
PS: if you want to escape Israel for political reasons, I would not consider the US as they are even worse than Netanyahu times ten. Canada would be a good destination for you if you insist on leaving Israel though.
Ironic how you're desperate to leave while I would love to get into Israel, but I'm not wanted because I have no jewish spouse or (grand)parent. I'd have applied for aliyah if I had any jewish roots, but sadly enough ... Guess a Jewish girlfriend would be the way in, but the jewish community in Belgium is very closed, like a little enclave wary to let non-jews enter. Most jews in Belgium are orthodox...
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themanfromuranus wrote:
Fnord wrote:
themanfromuranus wrote:
the new law is that there a Committee of curebies who are the one who decide what an autistic person is need and not the person himself
This is good, as it lessens the likelihood that the system will be abused and defrauded by fakers.
themanfromuranus wrote:
it is problematic because people like me who are completely independed will not get any support
That seems fair, since by definition an independent person is someone who doesn't need support.
Post the link to the article. I will translate its contents.
Or do you expect the rest of us to simply trust you as to what it says?

first of all,the committe is consisting of autism haters(curebie parents and psyciatrists who hates autistic people)
Please post links to each person's Curriculum Vitae.
themanfromuranus wrote:
second even if somebody is indepandet they still need some kind of support.
No, people who need support are dependent, while independent people do not need support.
You should not try to redefine reality to suit your own agenda.
themanfromuranus wrote:
and to the last, here it is,fnord can you translate it please ?ACI
That is a link to a Facebook account, not to ACI or the original document. A search of the קהילת אנשי הספקטרום האוטיסטי בישראל ("Autistic Community of Israel") website did not turn up the original document, either.
Please link to the original document, and not to an "edited" version this time.

themanfromuranus wrote:
BuyerBeware wrote:
Good luck with the new life in a Western country.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
I have to recommend you give Canada a shot, as Israel is pretty much the favored child of the United States and I cannot imagine you would care much of the state of life, or autism, in these lovely United States.
I wish you luck with Communism, too. It didn't work the first time, and it's my considered opinion that it must have been concieved by Aspies. It works great on paper; in practice, not so much. It's a wonderful idea, but innocently fails to take into account the human propensity for corruption and self-service.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Communism only works in small collectivist societies where the separation between the wealthiest individual and the poorest one, and between the leadership and the lowest schlep on the totem pole, isn't much. Places where everyone knows everyone else, everyone sees everything else, and every aspect of everyone's life is transparent.
But-- Prove me wrong. PLEASE prove me wrong. Get out there and build a society where it actually works. Make my lifetime.
thank you,canada was my first choice dou to the countrys socio democratic govermant and its tolerance toward minoritys.
and i wouldnt call myself an actually "communist" i am a marxist,the difarence is that carl marx didnt mention any totalitarism or authocratic regime in hes Doctrine or books, the communism was in the soviet union,china , N korea,ethiopia in the 70s or vietnam was an missinterpetation of lenin, who took the beutifull ideas of marx and turned them into a monster.
but i get your point

when lenin died shortly after the revolution losif dzyghashvilli changed his last name to stalin which meant man of steele in russian maybe to distract people from his osetian ethnicity.he was a genius of propaganda so people ignored lenins warnings not to let stalin take over because lenin thought stalin was to harsh.stalin was the biggest influence on early communism.i am not a marxist in general but i will concede had it not been for stalin the gentler less authoritarian style of marxism could have happened sooner had lenin and trotsky's ideas prevailed originaly.
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Fnord wrote:
Well, then ... it seems that without any traceable origin for the OP's claims, it may be safe to assume that the claims are baseless.
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i have already gave you another link to an ACI forum,in a post that is written"press me" press the "press me" and you will find an original ACI imput,or it is also not good enough for you [/thread]

and please stop to just purpusly looking to put others down because they are not have the same opinion as you. if you dont agrees with me,so dont read my posts!! !! !! !! GOD, i hate people like you that join an autistic site just to troll us in our safe zone!! !! !!
(not a personal attack, just pissed off by an hatemongering reply)
themanfromuranus wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Well, then ... it seems that without any traceable origin for the OP's claims, it may be safe to assume that the claims are baseless.
[/thread]
i have already gave you another link to an ACI forum,in a post that is written"press me" press the "press me" and you will find an original ACI imput,or it is also not good enough for you [/thread]

and please stop to just purpusly looking to put others down because they are not have the same opinion as you. if you dont agrees with me,so dont read my posts!! !! !! !! GOD, i hate people like you that join an autistic site just to troll us in our safe zone!! !! !!
(not a personal attack, just pissed off by an hatemongering reply)
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themanfromuranus wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Well, then ... it seems that without any traceable origin for the OP's claims, it may be safe to assume that the claims are baseless.
[/thread]
i have already gave you another link to an ACI forum,in a post that is written"press me" press the "press me" and you will find an original ACI imput,or it is also not good enough for you.[/thread]
It is not the source material. I'm looking for the origin - the original bill - and not someone's commentary on it.
Quote:
It's not autistic Law ! This current bill of Autistic Children
Posted on April 1, 2013 at 12:39
One of the first steps of the synagogue nineteenth - century, and as part of the coalition agreement between the "Have a Future " and "Likud Our House ," the Submission entitled "Proposed Rehabilitation, Promotion & Integration of People With Autism in the Community, Htsha"g -2013" received by the popular name "The Autistic Law" ...
Posted on April 1, 2013 at 12:39
One of the first steps of the synagogue nineteenth - century, and as part of the coalition agreement between the "Have a Future " and "Likud Our House ," the Submission entitled "Proposed Rehabilitation, Promotion & Integration of People With Autism in the Community, Htsha"g -2013" received by the popular name "The Autistic Law" ...
This is the beginning paragraph of someone's blog post, not the original bill. According to the author, however, the proposed bill is not yet law, so why get worked up about it? Maybe if you posted a link to the original bill as it was submitted, we could better understand why.
themanfromuranus wrote:
and please stop to just purpusly looking to put others down because they are not have the same opinion as you.
I do not look down on others for having different opinions. I look down on opinions that aren't based on current reality - like a presumed threat from a proposed bill that has not yet been voted into law.
themanfromuranus wrote:
if you dont agrees with me,so dont read my posts!
How will I know if I agree with you or not if you won't "allow" me to read your posts?

themanfromuranus wrote:
GOD, i hate people like you that join an autistic site just to troll us in our safe zone!
That is a personal attack, based on the false presumption that I've joined this website just for trolling. I often receive attacks like this from people that I've challenged to produce evidence for their claims. It seems that some people may feel hostile toward anyone who questions their opinions or the validity of their "facts".
It is not trolling to ask for validation of claims; nor is it trolling to disagree with someone else's opinions.
Please, if you don't have a link to the text of the original bill, then don't expect people to believe that it says what you (and this "Ronen" character) claim that it says.
you have made your point,and i have finded an article not written by ronen gill (who is an israeli autistic self advocate who is one of ACI founders)
evidence
i know that it is not word by word with what i have said, but it is something.
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