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BenderRodriguez
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02 Dec 2018, 9:31 am

So you have no interest in reality or objective facts, you just see this as an opportunity to get back at others.

Count me out.


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02 Dec 2018, 9:35 am

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You're in the US, and "Asperger Disorder" was removed from the DSM.

The new diagnostic criteria is *needs support*.

So, you have to admit you have a problem (disorder) and need help (are inferior in some respect).

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I don't go along with this definition, but then I'm not American.

It's part of the spectrum, has its pros and cons but we don't need to subscribe to some sudden whim on the part of the mental health fraternity. It's like when they said Pluto's not a planet. It'll always be a planet to me.


That is the case, at least in the US. It's Autism Spectrum Disorder, not Autism Spectrum Superpower. Now, whether that's wise, fair, or useful are other arguments.



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02 Dec 2018, 4:13 pm

I see no problem with myself, but then again I've learned to embrace my autism rather than worry about it. It's part of me, it's who I am. And by all accounts, from any research I've done- it's a large part of why I'm so proficient at the things I am proficient at. For background, I am an electrical engineering major and a lot of what we do in electrical engineering and especially in the digital logic part of it involves the simple statements of TRUE or FALSE, HIGH or LOW, 1 or 0, YES or NO, ect. Now, perhaps if I had chosen to be a social worker that "black and white" way of thinking would have not helped me. But in this case, digital logic is almost like the study of black and white, and all of a sudden my autism becomes something that gives me an edge over other people. And if you look at the salaries for electrical engineering- it's very high, higher than any "social" related job. Additionally if an electrical engineer hits the goldmine of creating something people will want to use then forget about it; they WILL end up very wealthy. And so, my autism has been my "superpower" allowing me to move up on the economic change and perhaps someday will help me do something great.


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02 Dec 2018, 10:11 pm

One thing I might add - NT's who really push themselves to focus on what matters or think from first principles get to be a lot like us as well and need to find increasingly well selected groups of friends, otherwise they run into the 'bucket of crabs' problem where insecure people try to drag them back downhill. I think they tend to take it in stride a bit better because they don't have a medical label associated with it hanging over their heads.

Our culture has been having problems with the idea of meaning, seeming to equate it with the worst of the 20th century, and the lack of it has contributed to a drought of integrity. I have to think of a lot of our problems in that context, ie. that we live in a place where personality disorders seem to be given free reign and not being like that - whether AS or NT - we find ourselves in a rather strange and alienated place.


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02 Dec 2018, 10:35 pm

I thought this was fascinating. Eric is suggesting that you have schools trying to press out one kind of person at the expense of others that have genuine value to contribute and I think it relates back well to some of the challenges we see with autistic spectrum conditions, Eric's main foci were dyslexia and ADHD.


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03 Dec 2018, 12:43 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
One thing I might add - NT's who really push themselves to focus on what matters or think from first principles get to be a lot like us as well and need to find increasingly well selected groups of friends, otherwise they run into the 'bucket of crabs' problem where insecure people try to drag them back downhill. I think they tend to take it in stride a bit better because they don't have a medical label associated with it hanging over their heads.

Our culture has been having problems with the idea of meaning, seeming to equate it with the worst of the 20th century, and the lack of it has contributed to a drought of integrity. I have to think of a lot of our problems in that context, ie. that we live in a place where personality disorders seem to be given free reign and not being like that - whether AS or NT - we find ourselves in a rather strange and alienated place.


I do agree that modern society is full of insecure people who try to make everyone act like them, but I don't think they all have personality disorders. I think perhaps NT's are becoming more and more manipulative. There seems to be a troubling shift towards deceit in the modern era.


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03 Dec 2018, 7:26 am

To an extent it's probably always been this way and we're just seeing it now that its our turn to make it in the work world. At the same time I do think that the marketplace of global competition, the rarifying of the talent needed to get by in the world, I do think people are panicking for their survival (ie. what's deemed of their worth) and that's having negative effects on how people treat each other.


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04 Dec 2018, 2:06 am

No, Asperger's/autism was classified the way it was because it brings about unique challenges to anyone with it, and often their parents.



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16 Dec 2018, 8:44 pm

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I truly believe that we are superior to neurotypicals.
If aspies are so superior, why aren't they ruling the world?


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01 Jan 2019, 2:16 am

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I truly believe that we are superior to neurotypicals.
If aspies are so superior, why aren't they ruling the world?


Because we are in the minority.


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01 Jan 2019, 11:17 am

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Because we are in the minority.

There's a certain historically persecuted minority I can think of who doesn't exactly rule the world or have evil schemes to do so the way some boneheads like to think but they have most of the Nobel prizes, most of the scientific discoveries, highly successful in commerce, so I'm not sure I buy the 'because we are in the minority' argument.


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01 Jan 2019, 12:20 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Because we are in the minority.

There's a certain historically persecuted minority I can think of who doesn't exactly rule the world or have evil schemes to do so the way some boneheads like to think but they have most of the Nobel prizes, most of the scientific discoveries, highly successful in commerce, so I'm not sure I buy the 'because we are in the minority' argument.


I was wondering about this... for obvious reasons, it is not popular to place one minority above another but certainly there seem to be genetical features that dominate more strongly among specific groups that make these groups more or less successful in different areas...


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01 Jan 2019, 1:32 pm

Part of why that's a bit of a third rail these days is that human beings look at one another and have a deep distrust that we'd be morally capable of handling this information.

I remember the debates that Sam Harris had with Ezra Klein over this - Ezra is more the sort of pessimist that I just mentioned, Sam is more concerned (along with Steven Pinker) that hiding truths simply makes extremists and racialists holders of 'forbidden knowledge' which in their minds is a much more dangerous scenario. I'd add this to Harris and Pinker's concerns - crazy utopian and totalitarian ideologies seem to stem from a belief in a sort of nature that's mutable to human belief and they turn into dystopias fast because while the consequences of that disconnect might be negotiable with people they aren't negotiable with nature - ie. nature doesn't reason or negotiate.

Part of why we have such a wild managerie of crazy beliefs these days is because so many people don't have to deal with the unforgiving in nature and if they're dangerously crazy enough people will just capitulate (partly because Dunning Kruger is a nearly invincible superpower in debate) - seeming to evidence to them that both they and their rogue ideology are correct.


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01 Jan 2019, 6:31 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Because we are in the minority.

There's a certain historically persecuted minority I can think of who doesn't exactly rule the world or have evil schemes to do so the way some boneheads like to think but they have most of the Nobel prizes, most of the scientific discoveries, highly successful in commerce, so I'm not sure I buy the 'because we are in the minority' argument.

Which minority?


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02 Jan 2019, 7:27 pm

Thinking if the ways I'm different from other people and the difficulties I have make me realize we aren't supreme.



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02 Jan 2019, 8:29 pm

liamdude5 wrote:
Thinking if the ways I'm different from other people and the difficulties I have make me realize we aren't supreme.
Oh, we are indeed NOT supreme, but ...

No one expects  The Spanish Inquisition  aspies who have accepted their aspie-ness and are adapted to it.

They do not expect us to be smart, to understand the intricacies of STEM subjects, and to use our knowledge and understanding to our advantage.

:twisted: Plan ... prepare ... emplace ... execute ...