Kanye West claims car accident caused autism
funeralxempire
Veteran
![User avatar](./download/file.php?avatar=101416_1724963825.png)
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 30,348
Location: Right over your left shoulder
cyberdora wrote:
MG has a point. Kim Peek (the man who was the inspiration for Rain man) had brain damage to the cerebellum. He subsequently developed autistic like traits and savant skills. I think there are cases of acquired brain injury leading to autistic traits, although the medical fraternity don't recognise these people as autistic as per ICD11 or DSMV.
By definition someone who acquired autism like traits as the result of a head injury isn't autistic, even if their symptoms are exactly synonymous with those associated with autism.
_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
You can't advance to the next level without stomping on a few Koopas.
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
MG has a point. Kim Peek (the man who was the inspiration for Rain man) had brain damage to the cerebellum. He subsequently developed autistic like traits and savant skills. I think there are cases of acquired brain injury leading to autistic traits, although the medical fraternity don't recognise these people as autistic as per ICD11 or DSMV.
By definition someone who acquired autism like traits as the result of a head injury isn't autistic, even if their symptoms are exactly synonymous with those associated with autism.
The cause of autism is where brain cells in the frontal area of the brain do not connect with each other as for one reason or another the electrical messages do not make the connections they are supposed to. It could be just a few brain cells or could be more depending on the individual concerned.
Add to this another aspect common in autism is that during brain development, the brain growth is diverted away from the areas that are not functioning correctly, and instead grown other areas of the brain to compensate. These explain both hyper sensitivities and also explain why some individuals can be geniuses in some areas but lacking in others.
Now autism assessment as far as I understand is primarily looking for traits which indicate that some areas of the frontal part of the brain are not communicating as they should, hence why certain traits are displayed. The hypersensitivity and genius growth etc are taken into account but more to complete the picture to diagnose as far as I am aware?
If one as gone through a brain injury, one will natrually end up with the same brain issues that we describe as autistic traits and therefore in some circumstances, though is not that common, it is described as autism in certain cases. The cause itself is different, but the actual condition associated with the brain issues are the same as they are brain connections that are not functioning as they should.
For some reason (As I do not know a lot) the other areas of the brain which are not at the front, do not (If they are giving issues) display as autism? A neighbour where I lived was a brain surgeon. She was as interested in what I had found out as I was to what she was saying, as she dealt mainly with any brain operations needed after accidents etc, but it was interesting as the autism side of things was a line of work in which she did not cover, so she was wanting to know more, and the other side of things she covered more so was able to tell me a little of what she knew. (I only know what I know from curiosity and interest because I never knew what autism was so I spent ages watching all I could on YouTube as well as looking up everything else I could find online that was written in a simplified way that I could understand).
There are obviously other brain related issues such as brain connections short circuiting which is what we call a fit, or brain chemical imbalance which is what we call bipolar to name just two.
funeralxempire
Veteran
![User avatar](./download/file.php?avatar=101416_1724963825.png)
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 30,348
Location: Right over your left shoulder
ICD-11, chapter 6, section A02 wrote:
The onset of the disorder occurs during the developmental period, typically in early childhood, but symptoms may not become fully manifest until later, when social demands exceed limited capacities.
Quote:
According to the DSM-5-TR (2022), in order to receive a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, one must present with "persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction" and "restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities." These behaviors must begin in early childhood and affect one's ability to perform everyday tasks. Furthermore, the symptoms must not be fully explainable by intellectual developmental disorder or global developmental delay.
Autism has certain diagnostic criteria. Not meeting these criteria means it's something else, even if it's similar. Developing autism like traits due to some other mechanism with a different age of onset isn't autism. We can be supportive of people with struggles resulting from that situation, but that doesn't mean it's the same thing from a medical perspective.
_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
You can't advance to the next level without stomping on a few Koopas.
funeralxempire wrote:
Quote:
According to the DSM-5-TR (2022), in order to receive a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, one must present with "persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction" and "restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities." These behaviors must begin in early childhood and affect one's ability to perform everyday tasks. Furthermore, the symptoms must not be fully explainable by intellectual developmental disorder or global developmental delay.
You gotta admit, the wording from DSM is a doozy. I am still struggling to get financial support 12 years after applying for my daughter based on the ambiguity of this diagnostic criteria.
Perhaps Kanye will have better luck than my daughter did getting believed.
ASPartOfMe
Veteran
![User avatar](./download/file.php?avatar=90110_1451070500.jpg)
Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,683
Location: Long Island, New York
Kanye West suggests autism explains his 'episodes.' Advocates say that's harmful — and false
Quote:
If you assume it doesn't need to be said outright that autism does not cause antisemitic behaviours, the current news cycle could suggest otherwise.pp
But as several advocates have told CBC News, what autism doesn't do is affect your belief system or moral code. Every autistic person is different, and every person — autistic or not — is a product of their environment, Anne Borden, co-founder of Autistics 4 Autistics: Self Advocacy in Canada, told CBC News.
"We're not necessarily more susceptible to hateful beliefs or anything like that. It seems today that everyone is susceptible to hateful beliefs," Borden said.
"If people are so out of touch that they think all autistic people are like Kanye West, then god help them."
'Toxic autism politics'
Ye's statements about his diagnosis come during what observers have noted is a time of heightened harmful discourse about autism in the U.S.. The Independent criticized Trump's second administration for what it calls "toxic autism politics," including beliefs about vaccines.
For instance, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who hopes to be Trump's health secretary, has repeatedly promoted a false and scientifically de-bunked theory that vaccines cause autism. And ahead of Kennedy's confirmation hearing, Trump said "something is really wrong" with the autism rates in the U.S.
Meanwhile, Musk has repeatedly referred to himself as having Asperger's syndrome, the term for a diagnosis that's no longer used in the medical community and has since been folded into the broader category of autism spectrum disorder. He's been accused by some autism advocates of promoting what's known as "Aspie supremacy," a term coined by disability rights activists for the problematic idea that some autistic people are superior to others and neurotypical peopl
The difference between disability, and excuse
This Thursday and Friday, Ye posted a series of statements on X to his 34 million followers that were homophobic, antisemitic, misogynistic and racist in nature.
Included among the many all-caps posts, he wrote that he doesn't trust Jewish people, "I'm racist," and "I love Hitler. Now what, b*****s."
Borden encouraged people to use their critical thinking skills about whether someone is making excuses for their behaviour based on their disability, or if the behaviour is possibly related to the disability.
"They should understand enough about autism to understand what might be a behavioural reaction to stimuli versus a moral stance or a belief system," she said.
"If people misinterpret Kanye's belief system and morals and choices he's made ... if those are confused, then that's really the problem of the interpreters."
But as several advocates have told CBC News, what autism doesn't do is affect your belief system or moral code. Every autistic person is different, and every person — autistic or not — is a product of their environment, Anne Borden, co-founder of Autistics 4 Autistics: Self Advocacy in Canada, told CBC News.
"We're not necessarily more susceptible to hateful beliefs or anything like that. It seems today that everyone is susceptible to hateful beliefs," Borden said.
"If people are so out of touch that they think all autistic people are like Kanye West, then god help them."
'Toxic autism politics'
Ye's statements about his diagnosis come during what observers have noted is a time of heightened harmful discourse about autism in the U.S.. The Independent criticized Trump's second administration for what it calls "toxic autism politics," including beliefs about vaccines.
For instance, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who hopes to be Trump's health secretary, has repeatedly promoted a false and scientifically de-bunked theory that vaccines cause autism. And ahead of Kennedy's confirmation hearing, Trump said "something is really wrong" with the autism rates in the U.S.
Meanwhile, Musk has repeatedly referred to himself as having Asperger's syndrome, the term for a diagnosis that's no longer used in the medical community and has since been folded into the broader category of autism spectrum disorder. He's been accused by some autism advocates of promoting what's known as "Aspie supremacy," a term coined by disability rights activists for the problematic idea that some autistic people are superior to others and neurotypical peopl
The difference between disability, and excuse
This Thursday and Friday, Ye posted a series of statements on X to his 34 million followers that were homophobic, antisemitic, misogynistic and racist in nature.
Included among the many all-caps posts, he wrote that he doesn't trust Jewish people, "I'm racist," and "I love Hitler. Now what, b*****s."
Borden encouraged people to use their critical thinking skills about whether someone is making excuses for their behaviour based on their disability, or if the behaviour is possibly related to the disability.
"They should understand enough about autism to understand what might be a behavioural reaction to stimuli versus a moral stance or a belief system," she said.
"If people misinterpret Kanye's belief system and morals and choices he's made ... if those are confused, then that's really the problem of the interpreters."
_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
Having Autism |
19 Dec 2024, 12:00 pm |
Autism & Talking |
02 Feb 2025, 6:39 pm |
How can autism be monetized? |
30 Jan 2025, 10:37 am |
Autism challenges |
12 Jan 2025, 1:29 pm |