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20 Feb 2008, 5:30 am

Mortsnorkle wrote:
Autism Speaks has never advocated the abortion of autistic fetuses. Stating that is totally unfair to them.

You may believe that to be their state of mind if you wish, but there is no evidence that supports that assertion.

If you think there is something to the contrary on the internet, post a link to it.


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We are dedicated to funding global biomedical research into the causes, prevention, treatments, and cure for autism


http://www.autismspeaks.org/goals.php

Prevention = Eugenics = Abortion (and compulsory removal of ability to have children)



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20 Feb 2008, 5:38 am

If I were still at school and they came to my school, I would not hesitate to tell them that I CAN speak for myself, I am NOT defective and I want NOTHING to do with their "cure" idea!


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21 Feb 2008, 4:02 pm

TLPG states:

Prevention = Eugenics = Abortion (and compulsory removal of ability to have children)"

Very obviously not true. Autism is currently thought to result from exposure to environmental triggers coupled with a genetic predisposition to those environmental triggers. Prevention could well mean the informed avoidance of such an environmental trigger due to the awareness of a genetic predispositon. It could also mean the taking of a drug to counteract the effects of such an environmental trigger.

Even the work "eugenics" wasn't synonymous with abortion the last time I checked.



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21 Feb 2008, 4:31 pm

The Autistic Spectrum is a difference. Why prevent a difference? What next? Do we prevent a certain skin colour?

THAT is what prevention means, my friend, and that's why it's not just eugenics - it's bloody genocide!! Very obviously true.



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21 Feb 2008, 4:42 pm

Oh god. Another anti-Autism Speaks thread trying to make it look "evil" to prevent a group of social setbacks that greatly hinder people's lives.

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As in 'cure': Are they trying to make us robots? Make us the 'same'? Geez reminds me of high school cliques.

No, because neurotypicals are not all the same and neither are the members of high school cliques. Everyone is different, no matter how much the anti-cure people say otherwise. If anything, I think autistics are more like the robots. Socially inept, elitist robots.

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The Autistic Spectrum is a difference. Why prevent a difference? What next? Do we prevent a certain skin colour?

You use the skin color argument everywhere and I'm sick of it. Autism is a disability, not a difference. Does being black, Muslim, etc. limit their social skills and give them sensory issues?

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Autism Speaks has never advocated the abortion of autistic fetuses. Stating that is totally unfair to them.

Not to mention there's no way to detect autism in an unborn child to begin with.

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You should ask them why the site only addresses parents of autistic people, and never directly addresses autistics themselves.

Because most autistic children, with the exception of Aspies, cannot comprehend their condition or be able to answer what they may be asked.



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21 Feb 2008, 5:23 pm

You seem to be doing a pretty good job. :roll:



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21 Feb 2008, 7:23 pm

TLPG wrote:
The Autistic Spectrum is a difference. Why prevent a difference? What next? Do we prevent a certain skin colour?


This reminds me of what my high school principal told us back in the sixties when we asked if we could put a coke machine in the cafeteria. "First a Coke machine. Then a beer machine. Then a marijuana machine."



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22 Feb 2008, 3:51 am

Selo wrote:
TLPG wrote:
The Autistic Spectrum is a difference. Why prevent a difference? What next? Do we prevent a certain skin colour?

You use the skin color argument everywhere and I'm sick of it. Autism is a disability, not a difference. Does being black, Muslim, etc. limit their social skills and give them sensory issues?


The short answer is yes - brought on by extreme prejudice. If you want to nit pick that's fine, but it doesn't alter the root issue. The Spectrum as a whole is a difference.

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This reminds me of what my high school principal told us back in the sixties when we asked if we could put a coke machine in the cafeteria. "First a Coke machine. Then a beer machine. Then a marijuana machine."


LOL! What a ridiculous and irrelevant analogy!



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22 Feb 2008, 6:05 am

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LOL! What a ridiculous and irrelevant analogy!


Works for me. You and my high school principal. The two of you. Birds of a feather.

Is Autism just a "difference?" Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The real problem is that "Autism" is really an umbrella term that is used to denote too many things. Maybe you don't resemble the kids in the Autism Every Day video, but those kids and their problems are very, very, real.

They run into ponds and drown themselves. Yes. This is real. And it's the result of their disorder. Some of them are in diapers all their lives. And somebody has to change them. That person who has to change them is not you. Lucky you.

You can try to define things away like that by calling them "comorbids," but it doesn't change reality.

I MAY be on the spectrum myself, very slightly. I wouldn't qualify for the DSM=IV criteria, but things like eye contact are a little confusing to me. Do you think all this crap about eye contact is sort of ridiculous? Well, so do I. But that's not in the same category as being in diapers all your life. No, no, a thousand times no. Is liberating people from that "genocide?" No, no, a thousand times no yet again. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxer or chelation advocate. I don't buy into that any more than you do, I'm sure.



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22 Feb 2008, 12:07 pm

What ever happened to just loving your kid the way they are,no matter if they are NT,aspie,autie,ADD,ADHD or anything?

this seems to be gone on both sides.

I think if the aspies/autties and the NT started trying to understand each other,then we would be better off.

We can't say the NTs have to start this first,in fact i think that if we understand why NTs do somethings,then why we do other things won't seem so odd.

but,meh.

thats just my opinion.


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22 Feb 2008, 12:38 pm

What do you mean, whatever happened to loving your kid, just the way he is?

I do love my kid.

That doesn't mean that I have to love the Autism.

I love my kid on my own terms. Not on neurodiversity's terms. I take no instructions from Neurodiversity on how to love my kid. I take no instructions from anybody on how to love my kid. I don't need lessons.

The neurodiverse mantra seems to be "I aint broke and I don't need fixing."

Well, I'm saying I ain't broke and I don't need fixing. As a loving parent.

BTW, I'm severely ADHD. I don't love the ADHD, and I don't regard it as a part of me. I regard it as a pain in the ass. Surely you believe me when I say that I love myself, don't you??

And also BTW, is this loving the NTs the way THEY are? Just asking.

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Disclosure: I post on the Autism Speaks boards as ASsupporter. I chose this new name here because the other name is a double entendre that I didn't think of at the time, and now regret.



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25 Feb 2008, 1:04 pm

They can shove their cure, I'm happy just the way I am.


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25 Feb 2008, 2:56 pm

Fine with me if you're self-supporting.

If you're not, then when the cure comes, and you refuse it, I'll say take away your subsidy from the government.



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25 Feb 2008, 11:35 pm

There is only treatment for certain AS problems. People really need to read books on the subject.

That is the only way I believe people will understand.


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26 Feb 2008, 6:23 pm

Autism speaks at my school, eh? I say give 'em blood an' vinegar! Eulaliaaaaaaa!!

(Sorry. I'm hyper and just got finished reading another Brian Jaques book. But i hope you get the point.)


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28 Feb 2008, 12:44 am

Mortsnorkle wrote:
Autism Speaks has never advocated the abortion of autistic fetuses. Stating that is totally unfair to them.

You may believe that to be their state of mind if you wish, but there is no evidence that supports that assertion.

If you think there is something to the contrary on the internet, post a link to it.


Autism speaks advocates Eugenics...

Try this link: http://www.aspergianpride.com/prenatal.shtml

Do your homework.

You may feel the need to be "cured", but I'd far rather be alive.