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24 Feb 2008, 11:39 pm

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Yes, but you aren't born depressed, are you? ;)

Depression is acquired, autism is not.


Autism is acquired, usually, on the whole, for the most part, the majority, at 2-3 years old ABRUPTLY. A great change from prior state to autism!

Fact: Many aspergers and autism peoples CAN'T ACCEPT THIS. Bam!

ACQUIRED FOLKS, SORRY. We became cripples.


Nobody really knows the cause of autism, so if it's hard-wired, genetic, how is it not acquired? Assuming the above (commonly accepted, even if not proven entirely) are in fact correct, that is.


I would have to go with genetic. :roll:

I really don't remember acquiring asperger's. Some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in he brain. Bi-polar, for example. BP people just have problems in a cycle, whereas I didn't really get depressed until my grandmother died next to me.



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24 Feb 2008, 11:40 pm

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I have heard a disturbing number of people say that they wouldn't change having AS because they think that would change who they are. Why do people think that?

Some people are diagnosed with depression. If they were able to get rid of their depression, would they be a different person? I don't think so. Who you are can't change. It's all about how you respond. You aren't depressed anymore, but your likes and dislikes, your fundamental world-views, your quirks and idiosyncracies aren't going to change. You may act differently during the period of your depression, but underneath it all you are still you.

AS makes you react to the world differently to others. But when you are in an environment where you are completely comfortable, the real you shines through. What if you could keep that real you for always? Show it to others? What if you could talk to people normally, striking up a conversation out of thin air - like NT's do? I used to think I was shy. Maybe a little, but that's not the real problem. I simply don't know what to say! Because I lack the social skills to be able to make conversation.

Skills. To cope. To interact. How can these change us?


you are talking about me. I have social skills, I cope, I interact. I don't seek it out, but if I am in a social situation I can put people at their ease and cause them to think good thoughts about themselves and me. They are learned through decades of trial and error, hate and loathing sometimes, desparation and rebellion at others, but I learned them. I can pass for NT for long periods of time, especially if I go home to my own little place in between so I can rest and not be bothered and restore my equalibrium.
I can 'strike up a convo' out of thin air, and hold my end of a convo up until the social exchange is over. I can control my wild frantic urges to flee from a social situation when I am choking on the smoke from my soul roasting over the fires of hell from having to sit through some social chitchat I would rather have a non anestisized root canal than sit through.
and I am still 'me.'

so. . am I 'cured' now?

Merle



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24 Feb 2008, 11:44 pm

Apera wrote:
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Yes, but you aren't born depressed, are you? ;)

Depression is acquired, autism is not.


Autism is acquired, usually, on the whole, for the most part, the majority, at 2-3 years old ABRUPTLY. A great change from prior state to autism!

Fact: Many aspergers and autism peoples CAN'T ACCEPT THIS. Bam!

ACQUIRED FOLKS, SORRY. We became cripples.


Nobody really knows the cause of autism, so if it's hard-wired, genetic, how is it not acquired? Assuming the above (commonly accepted, even if not proven entirely) are in fact correct, that is.


I would have to go with genetic. :roll:

I really don't remember acquiring asperger's. Some depression is caused by chemical imbalances in he brain. Bi-polar, for example. BP people just have problems in a cycle, whereas I didn't really get depressed until my grandmother died next to me.


:doh: Please correct my mistake, I was arguing that it's actually not acquired, just so you know I'm not nuts.


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24 Feb 2008, 11:45 pm

Because my AS is a gift that makes me the unique individual, that I am. :)


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25 Feb 2008, 12:03 am

I classify my self as AS because todays society expects an explanation of why I am eccentric.
Thanks to a few other eccentric people in my family and a few eccentric ancestors, I have access to almost 500 years of genealogy. I can definitely say, back through history, my ancestors have always been considered eccentric. Polite society did not call them crazy, because that would mean they needed to be in an asylum. My family has always been well off, but never wealthy. We have been engineers, scientists, bookkeepers, and all of the other "typical AS occupations". A couple of my ancestors even became famous for their works.

There is a strong emphasis in todays society for conformity. Everyone seems to be expected to act and dress in a certain manner. Since I can't, and won't, dress and behave like a good citizen, I feel compelled to have a label. I am not a maverick, even though I go my own directions. I am not a revolutionist, even though I rebel against parts of our civilization. The word eccentric is out of vogue, with its meaning lost to the majority of people. I seem to fall into the category of having AS. People at work call me crazy because society is no longer so polite. But, they are also very afraid of losing my skills, because my abilities allow them to make a profit with less effort. At least with the label AS, I have a way to tell people what kind of crazy I am. (I don't think they want to know and I am not volunteering)

I do not want to be cured, and I don't want my kids, or other relatives cured either. We are an important section of society, we just need society to let us do our thing.


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25 Feb 2008, 12:09 am

I don't define myself by it, but this is a place that I can talk freely about issues I have related to it.



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25 Feb 2008, 1:39 am

I don't define myself by it, I think it's just a word describing what a lot of people happen to have in common. That said, I don't define myself by being female either, nor do I let it dictate everything in my life, but I don't mind being female, nor does anyone ever accuse me of defining myself by being female if I wish to remain female.


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25 Feb 2008, 9:34 am

MPJ wrote:
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Autism is acquired, usually, on the whole, for the most part, the majority, at 2-3 years old ABRUPTLY. A great change from prior state to autism!


What is your evidence for this? I'd be curious to see data or a study to back this claim up. I'm aware that the majority of autistic children are diagnosed at or after this age, and I'm aware that some autistic children experience an abrupt change -- but others, like my son, experience no change at all. My son was born autistic. This lack of change seems to be true of the vast majority of the autistic children I know personally. I've always wondered how representative my sample set was.


It seems to be a common assertion among the anti-vaccine nuts, but what I've read says that most autistics don't show a "regression" during the preschool years, the autistic traits come on gradually. Indeed, based on what I've read on the neurological basis of autism many autistic traits, such as social issues and seeing parts of objects instead of the whole object, are the result of sensory processing issues during infancy.


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25 Feb 2008, 9:43 am

I define myself as being a brilliant eccentric that is given the label "Asperger's Syndrome." My positive and negitive traits are aspects of the same thing, they cause each other. My problems with socializing is what at the same time allows me to see hidden assumptions. you cannot separate the positive and negitive traits, they are interlinked.


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25 Feb 2008, 9:57 am

My testing results place in between typical and AS, and there are definitely some co-existing conditions I'd like to get rid of, namely anxiety and a seizure disorder. I don't want to have to take medication all my life. I do like some of the more positive aspects of AS: a good memory, ability to retain factual material, high general intelligence and an interest in a lot of different things. My love of cats and other animals is something apart from my AS, and came about as a result of me being raised with pets all my life. I wouldn't trade that for anything.



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25 Feb 2008, 11:37 am

AS is said to show up between ages 2 and 3 because that's when children first start to be social. So, AS being a social impairment is going to 'manifest' in everyday life.

But AS isn't just and only a social impairment, usually.

I thought it was common knowledge that this 'from ages 2/3 onwards' isn't a valid statement.

I was autistic well before age 2. I know other parents who say their babies were different form the start too.



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25 Feb 2008, 11:37 am

Bekkles wrote:
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Autism is acquired, usually, on the whole, for the most part, the majority, at 2-3 years old ABRUPTLY. A great change from prior state to autism!


Is it acquired, or just noticeable a that age? How could you acquire something like a brain disorder?


You should be careful with that my friend, it's very insulting to us Aspies.



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25 Feb 2008, 12:00 pm

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25 Feb 2008, 6:30 pm

I define myself mostly by my profession, not Asperger's.


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