They are at it again
15 May 2008, 1:55 pm
ToadOfSteel wrote:
The only reason parents say "My child turned autistic after getting vaccinated" is a matter of coincidence: outward autistic traits don't become prevalent until 2 or 3 years of age, which just happens to be the time when most countries are vaccinating children...
And yet my son was showing the moment he was born. *shrug*
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15 May 2008, 4:42 pm
DW_a_mom wrote:
srriv345 wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Don't shoot me - I have never and will not buy the thimersol/mercury theory - but I am slowly coming to believe that there are many children with undiagnosed microndial disorders or sensitivities that are being harmed by the vaccines, and end up displaying symptoms that resemble autism. I don't know how else to account for these "recovery" stories.
How about looking at the definition of "recovery," and perhaps seeing that "improving" does not equate to "recovery." If that's the case, then Temple Grandin is recovered. Moreover, spectrum kids (and adults) can develop and learn without any unproven "biomedical" treatments. There has been exactly one case we know of where vaccines (maybe) aggravated mitochondrial dysfunction and autistic symptoms. On what grounds are we to assume that there's a significant population who also has mito dysfunction and autism traits? I'm suspicious of this because no one in the anti-vaccine camp breathed a word about mitochondrial dysfunction until the Hannah Poling case.
I've read several parent accounts now that are not "improved," but much closer to "no longer fitting a spectrum diagnosis." A recent one I read DID test for microndial disorders, after the fact, and while doing a host of therapies seemed to have the most dramatic results from a diet change. Studies have ruled out thirmerisol as a trigger pretty effectively, but what if there is something else? For a very small percentage? I agree that more often than not it's all a perception problem, because of the way the condition progresses, but it would be negligent to not look into these unusual cases and figure out what makes them different, if they are different. Look at it this way: once the markers are known for who can succeed with such treatments, we'll have less parents using them inappropriately. Parents need to know when to treat and when not to treat. You can't expect them to hear these stories and not try out the treatments. While you and I know they are going to fail most of the time, how can a parent know that? They can't. Not until we know better why some kids get "better" and others do not, and perhaps it really is true that those kids who got "better" never really were autistic at all, just showing a negative reaction to a shot. It's got to be ruled out on that basis. The mercury has been looked at; now it's time to look somewhere else.
I also wonder about food, and the role it can play.
One thing I notice in common with all the parents who say their kids 'regressed' after vaccines or whatever is that they then go on to say that changes in diet 'reversed' it.
Now, most people will dismiss this as hysteria. But what if there's something in it?
What if one of the vaccine ingredients - or several in conjunction with one another - are triggering an auto-immune response (remember, these things are designed to stimulate the immune system) and leading to severe, sudden food allergies. The allergies are presenting as autism, and causing major problems in the body with nutritional imbalances, immune reactions, etc etc. Take away those problematic foods and the kids suddenly 'revert' back to normal.
What I'm wondering is if this is the case, and if it's more common than we think. Maybe these kids don't actually have autism - they weren't born with it, it isn't the wiring of their brain, and they never did have it at all - but they do suffer some kind of reaction triggering these sorts of auto-immune responses. Which would explain the sudden 'regression into autism', and then the 'miraculous recovery' when you take out the trigger foods and replace the nutrients they missed out on thanks to those foods and reactions, and detox them of the toxins that built up during that time.
It's not unreasonable to think this could be the case, and it's not far-fetched or illogical. In fact, I'm almost entirely convinced, after reading story after story saying the exact same thing, that this IS the case.
Another one you often hear is that the 'regression' happened after a severe viral infection or bacterial infection, and doses of antibiotics. We know that antibiotics disrupt the gut and digestive system and probiotics are needed after them to rebalance the intestinal flora. We know that a lot of people on the spectrum - and it seems especially common amongst those who 'regressed after vaccines' - have GI tract problems. We know that food allergies directly effect the gut. We know that the brain and the digestive system are very closely matched. And we know that a good proportion of the immune system is located in the digestive tract.
So how can it be unreasonable to think perhaps it isn't all linked? That antibiotics, infections, vaccines - or all three - can lead to immune responses and allergies, that then lead to a neurological response resembling autism? And when you cut out the triggers the kids go back to normal?
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