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Ishmael
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01 Oct 2008, 2:13 pm

I'm sorry, rebecca l, but your "b" statement is just too funny..
Don't buy into the paranoia, okay? That's where the b***h gets her support.
oh, and don't tell me to get my life in order and stop laying my problems at others' feet, or call me uneducated, okay? You just stated the anectdotes I argue against... Really, now.


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01 Oct 2008, 2:16 pm

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This is what happened when people dont vaccinate............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_ou ... _the_2000s

And here is some proof that there is NO link between vaccine and Autism

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/vaccines-autism

Since the MMR vaccine has been proven to not cause Autism they have switched tactics and say that it is now not the MMR but the number of vaccines that cause it. Its all horse hockey and kids suffer because of it.


Well said :wink:


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01 Oct 2008, 2:21 pm

I don't understand this woman. I'd take autism over flu and measles and meningitis any freaking day of the week.


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01 Oct 2008, 2:33 pm

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I don't understand this woman. I'd take autism over flu and measles and meningitis any freaking day of the week.


Have you read her "book"? How very mein kampf; downright scary how she talks about autism, her child, and vehemently rejects the notion that it was nobodies fault her child is "diseased". Whattabitch.


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01 Oct 2008, 2:49 pm

its people like her that makes me loose faith in humanity. now if you will excuse me, i have to go trow up



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01 Oct 2008, 2:52 pm

Ishmael wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
I don't understand this woman. I'd take autism over flu and measles and meningitis any freaking day of the week.


Have you read her "book"? How very mein kampf; downright scary how she talks about autism, her child, and vehemently rejects the notion that it was nobodies fault her child is "diseased". Whattabitch.


Don't judge her unless you're wiling to be held to the same standard.



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01 Oct 2008, 4:20 pm

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She STILL thinks vaccines cause autism? A recent study has PROVED that is dosn't! Can't she admit that she is wrong for once?

Can't she admit she's wrong about everything for once?
I saw her on American Morning, and I threw my remote and almost got to the point of tears at this disgusting display of arrogance and ignorance.
Saying you would take REAL diseases over autism any day is frightening.



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01 Oct 2008, 4:33 pm

Am I the only one here who hasn't issued a fatwa against Jenny McCarthy? 8O Seriously, isn't the reaction a little extreme? I'm surprised no one feels this way about Michael Savage.



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01 Oct 2008, 4:36 pm

To be fair many of these studies can only give enough evidence to back up a theory. The vaccine theory is very flawed and Ih ave done my own research which says that there are neurotoxins in vaccines. This will not cause autism, but could lead to death, braindamge, or brain degeneration. The genetic inheritance theory of autism is much more accurate and has a good amount of evidence to back it up. The virus from a vaccine can cause a persons genetics to mutate, but that would be the same case as genetics it is just not inherited. There very little evidence to back up the concept of viruses from vaccines causing any conditions, but it is still a concept. There are many people that existed in history before vaccines were created that were very simmilar to autistics. That being said I support autism rights and think we have right to exist. I am just researching out of curiosity.


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01 Oct 2008, 4:45 pm

A person can always refuse treatment, refuse to be cured. That is a right.



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01 Oct 2008, 5:56 pm

I don't see her promoting genocide anywhere. I see a mother whose child was badly damaged and harmed by vaccinations doing what any other mother would do and getting out there to warn others that these things aren't safe so that maybe they won't end up going through what they have done with their son.

Nothing wrong with that.

Vaccines aren't safe, they can do major damage, nobody has ever proven they have nothing to do with autism, they have been linked to other similar neurological conditions, they're full of neurotoxic chemicals - in fact, they're loaded with toxic chemicals full stop!, they're given in huge doses to children at ages where they don't have the immune systems to fight it, built on a huge campaign praying on people's ignorance and fear to manipulate the population and test these poison cocktails on them, and these days they're often against diseases that don't usually cause any real problems anyway (come on, chicken pox?!).

As for whoever it was who was doubting the role diet can play in helping someone with autism, I would suggest you stop scoffing and start reading; diet plays a huge role in the behaviour of everyone, that goes for people on the spectrum as well.

Give the woman a break - she's seen her son go through hell and back and is using her fame to try and stop that happening to other people, too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.


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01 Oct 2008, 6:31 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Am I the only one here who hasn't issued a fatwa against Jenny McCarthy? 8O Seriously, isn't the reaction a little extreme? I'm surprised no one feels this way about Michael Savage.


she is very arrogant, nasty and irational. I do not blame them I am just trying to look at both perspectives.


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01 Oct 2008, 8:27 pm

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she is very arrogant, nasty and irational


This is personal opinion.



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01 Oct 2008, 8:44 pm

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she is very arrogant, nasty and irational


This is personal opinion.


Passionate, yes, but I didn't see her being irrational or nasty or arrogant there, unless you're a doctor pushing vaccines...


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01 Oct 2008, 9:04 pm

I hate that woman. What's worse is that the damn media actually takes her seriously, and thus spreads these falsehoods.

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a) No study has proven vaccines safe -- ever. No study has even been conducted that actually tried to replicate Wakeman's findings. They very carefully chose a "test" group that did NOT meet the criteria of the original study.

Postulating a conspiracy and massive fraud on the part of the researchers. They'd be found out pretty quickly if they tried that.

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b) No other country vaccinates their people as often and as early as we do, yet they do not have vast epidemics of "preventable" diseases either.

Britain doesn't do MMR? They don't vaccinate against polio? Not against meningitis? :?

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I know of several studies that indicate vaccines can and do cause increases in neurological disorders, from ADHD to Tourettes to Autism.

Were any of those studies rigorously conducted, put through peer-review, and published in a respectable scientific journal?

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Are you a microbiologist? A toxicologist? A scientist at all?

Microbiology major here. Vaccines trigger immunity to pathogens. It is exceedingly rare for them to interact with other parts of the system.

Even if they did, autism is better than measles.


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01 Oct 2008, 9:04 pm

dumb broad! BURN HER BOOKS!