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16 Feb 2009, 9:45 pm

Thank-you all for your thoughtful responses.

You can search for this on-line via a key-word search, to find the article.

Writing to Mason, is something I am definately seriouisly considering. That was a good suggestion!! !


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17 Feb 2009, 2:49 am

Thank you! Has anyone else read Jane Goodall's 'Harvest For Hope"? It's really excellent about mindful eating, and I very highly recommend it.

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19 Feb 2009, 7:28 pm

I haven't read this one by Jane Goodall, I read Reason For Hope, but I am working on mindful eating with my therapist.


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20 Feb 2009, 12:16 am

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Temple Grandin is a controversial figure within the autistic community.
The autistic self-advocate Jim Sinclair (co-ordinator of "Autism Network International") wrote a beautiful criticism of Grandin, titled "If you love something, you don't kill it": http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/killing.htm


This text is an insult to humans: It is an absolute different issue to kill an animal or one of our species. To compare a person how tries to make slaughter of animals less painful to a hangman is just monstrous and obscene!



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20 Feb 2009, 1:26 am

Dussel wrote:
KenG wrote:
Temple Grandin is a controversial figure within the autistic community.
The autistic self-advocate Jim Sinclair (co-ordinator of "Autism Network International") wrote a beautiful criticism of Grandin, titled "If you love something, you don't kill it": http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/killing.htm


This text is an insult to humans: It is an absolute different issue to kill an animal or one of our species. To compare a person how tries to make slaughter of animals less painful to a hangman is just monstrous and obscene!


I totally agree, Dussel. To nourish oneself is basic human need - it's not 'murder' or any sort-of torture with mal-intent.


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22 Feb 2009, 11:25 pm

Temple Grandin IS a hypocrite. I’m reading her “Animals In Translation” right now and she describes an experiment she did with a dude named Nick Dodman with a baby piglet. She put it into a pig version of her squeeze machine to see how it would react. It got scared and screamed. Animal lovers don’t support any kind of animal experimentation let alone participate in it.


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22 Feb 2009, 11:48 pm

PunkyKat wrote:
Temple Grandin IS a hypocrite. I’m reading her “Animals In Translation” right now and she describes an experiment she did with a dude named Nick Dodman with a baby piglet. She put it into a pig version of her squeeze machine to see how it would react. It got scared and screamed. Animal lovers don’t support any kind of animal experimentation let alone participate in it.


In this case you should not use any medicine at all - or do you support experiments with humans?



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23 Feb 2009, 12:55 am

I ate parts of ten animals today.

Temple Grandin is only controversial within the Autistic Community with people who are trying to establish their "leadership" of said "Autistic Community"

There is no such thing as an "Autistic Community" we are all a "Culture of one."

Like all political types trying to grab the "leadership" for power and profit, conflict with respected people, pandering to PETA, are the usual methods.

The "Leadership of the Autistic Community" sounds like, "Lord of the Flies", something Autism Speaks would fund.

Dr. Temple Grandin is a respected scientist who has a well deserved worldwide fame for designing humane animal handeling systems.

Dr. Temple Grandin is also a published author in other fields, her books on Autism have sold worldwide, and she has done more than any other person to debunk the myths and explain the reality of autism.

Jim Sinclair is a self promoter, running shock jock attacks to get attention, that he has done nothing of merit to deserve.

Like all self promoting "Leaders", he has never lead anything, changed anything, and takes cheap shots at those who, by a lifetime of good works, have made the world a better place.

There is no contraversy, all self proclaimed leaders are frauds, con men, and are looking to cause trouble as a means of gaining attention and power.

Autism is not a social impairment, it is the ability to see through the games, manipulations, and to judge things from the view of self. Leaders wish to take that role, to tell everyone else what they should think.

Autists are like snowflakes, no two alike, so there can be no leaders, we all are.



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23 Feb 2009, 6:41 am

We should really see Dr. Grandin for what she thought and did for the 'humane' slaughtering of the animals and what she advocated for us, and no other else.



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23 Feb 2009, 1:23 pm

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Jim Sinclair is a self promoter, running shock jock attacks to get attention, that he has done nothing of merit to deserve.
Chairing Autreat's organizing committee for 13 years is "nothing of merit"?


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23 Feb 2009, 7:07 pm

Just as an aside, there's a cute bumper sticker locally:

PETA = 'People Eating Tasty Animals'


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23 Feb 2009, 8:57 pm

PunkyKat wrote:
Temple Grandin IS a hypocrite. I’m reading her “Animals In Translation” right now and she describes an experiment she did with a dude named Nick Dodman with a baby piglet. She put it into a pig version of her squeeze machine to see how it would react. It got scared and screamed. Animal lovers don’t support any kind of animal experimentation let alone participate in it.


Oh please don't be so dramatic she its not like she cut its two front legs off, gave it a cane and top hat and tried to teach it to tap dance, she merely placed it in her squeezing machine. Also what about using animals to test animal medications or do you think that we should just give them drugs without testing them???



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23 Feb 2009, 9:44 pm

I had a pet pig (Snert) - loved him sooo much! He was a domesticated Vietnamese Pot Bellied pig and wicked smart. Pigs are the brainiacs of domesticated/farm animals.

Anyway, to the point: When Snert needed his hooves clipped (a necessary procedure to be done) he would SQUEAL as if he were being killed. Any sort of process, such as (trying) to pick him up (had to do this once when he fell - he was ok) or turn him over would result in squealing, and endless barking. Pigs don't like that but, in certain instances, he needed to be handled. I would never hurt Snert or cause him any distress but pigs, I promise, squeal like you don't know - then they're totally fine. I read Animals in Translation. Temple clearly has no intent of hurting the pig - yes, pigs do squeal.

This would be an entirely different scenario if Temple had ill-intent (she didn't) or was purposely 'playing around' with the pig. I fully respect Dr. Grandin in her animal science and she is an animal lover. She's written that she can see as they do. And she considers herself 'on par' with animal. I like this way of thinking and I do know animals and have nothing but respect for them.

I think if one is to lobby against animal cruelty (this is good!) then do so! That means those who engage in animal cruelty, like owners who are irresponsible, not caring for their animal and their reproductive needs (ie: spaying & neutering), YUM chicken (tiny box for a chicken that needs range), or those who pierce pet cats so they look 'cool.' Parents who buy their kid a live bunny for Easter, then put the rabbit in a dumpster after the holiday (yes, this is done) - SICK!! !

Volunteer at an animal shelter - not target an animal scientist who knows her stuff. Who would tell a proud, beautiful, and kind Y'upik Eskimo elder their culture is hate-based, since they hunt for food? That's NUTS!! !


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24 Feb 2009, 2:56 am

The animal rights activists use "cruelty" as a blind, to hit other people with. There is no good faith in their declarations that someone has been cruel to an animal.



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24 Feb 2009, 2:57 am

PunkyKat wrote:
Temple Grandin IS a hypocrite. I’m reading her “Animals In Translation” right now and she describes an experiment she did with a dude named Nick Dodman with a baby piglet. She put it into a pig version of her squeeze machine to see how it would react. It got scared and screamed. Animal lovers don’t support any kind of animal experimentation let alone participate in it.


I do not accept your statement about animal lovers. It is inaccurate and bigoted.



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24 Feb 2009, 3:01 am

Dussel wrote:
KenG wrote:
Temple Grandin is a controversial figure within the autistic community.
The autistic self-advocate Jim Sinclair (co-ordinator of "Autism Network International") wrote a beautiful criticism of Grandin, titled "If you love something, you don't kill it": http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/killing.htm


This text is an insult to humans: It is an absolute different issue to kill an animal or one of our species. To compare a person how tries to make slaughter of animals less painful to a hangman is just monstrous and obscene!


It's an anti-human agenda. They want humanity to be lifeless and controlled, perhaps worse than dead. Animal rights activism is a mental illness thinly disguised as a philosophy.