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17 Mar 2010, 7:34 am

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Who inherits the earth?


Whoever has the most babies that are likewise capable of having babies.


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17 Mar 2010, 8:30 am

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Who inherits the earth?


The animals!

http://www.mobygames.com/game/inherit-t ... or-the-orb



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17 Mar 2010, 8:34 am

pat2rome wrote:
memesplice wrote:
Who inherits the earth?


Whoever has the most babies that are likewise capable of having babies.


Don't worry, soon we will be able to combine sperms to make a fetus, implant it in an artificial womb, and cure us from our heterosexuality. :D



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17 Mar 2010, 12:23 pm

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I agree with Haywire this has been a very stimulating thread.

1. I can read a map related to open country. Memorize it to the extent it becomes a graphic outline.
walk in the area and know where I am to about 100m at any time. If you can be bothered you make points of reference and can count the number of paces, this will tell you exactly where you are but it gets very boring and you miss the scenery. Good in fog with compass. I have acute sense of direction.


This is why I suggested hacking out the NT's , memes are powerful carriers of retroviral instructions. Like DNA probably 90% of the memetic stuff that is out there, and in our heads is just line afterline of nonsense that evolution's rather messily left scattered around because it never tidies up after itself properly.




I have the same sense of direction, that a several day hike through umarked mountains, working my way around obstructions, I mostly come out within sight of my goal. I still find my car by the dent in the fender, and have tried my key in other cars, wondering who left that on my seat?

I do not find many people in the wild, those that camp seek paved spots with running water, toilets, showers, a minimal house. They are visiting the edge of the grid, and do not dare go very far beyond.

Mostly they become involved in social networking with the other campers. If they saw a deer they would call the Ranger Station to come shoot it, for they have heard wild animals carry rabies.

We need to self define because they will notice us looking for the car, and think that is all, and never know about the ability to cover long distances in pure nature.

I am as confounded by their ability to go into a city, find a parking place near a building where they then find one room in that building and get there at a particular time, as they are about my ability to go into the mountains, with no marking, trails, and find a place where a hundred years ago a small group worked one little valley for gold.

To me their camps stand out, just as the places where the Indians camped, and why they chose that spot. When prospecting out west I found most did not see it as I did, when I told a rancher directions, just past the two settler dugouts, ten minutes up the old wagon road. They grew up on the ranch, and had never noticed. I see the trails of a thousand years that lead to the best camp spots.

This is just one of the watershed of differance in our thinking. It is not likely to show up in the DSM, though they might notice our problems finding their office, on time, or the car afterward.

For us to reach Applied Autism, and face it, we are stuck, we have to map many thought patterns this way. Not having their mental pattern is only a defect when they define the world, they are just as defective where we define the world.

There are equal patterns in social, economic, technology, where the watershed differance stands out if explored, we are explorers, and they are not.

The recent article posted here about the aspie who saw that sub prime adjustable rate mortgages would reset in three years, and many would default, then bought credit default swaps, insurance, was unpopular with his investors, till three years later when he made $100 million, and $750 Million for his investors. He found a trail others did not see.

Punch cards were old when Bill Gates came up with punch tape to program a computer, then it was digital tape, then disks, leading to hard drives. The path to the future is open, for those who see the trail.

Even those who define us by our lacks in the world, also see it is not a defect, as much as a differance of thought and perception. We may come up with the wrong answer, for their world, but we seem to all come up with the same answers on WP. Our differance seems a consistant whole.

Applied Autism is the concept of self defining those differances, and mapping how our whole system works.

I know I am different, but I feel like a whole. My life is great when not interacting with their world that I truely lack understanding of. At 63, I will not be learning their ways, mine work, I function in places they cannot percieve. This is not a dillusion, for once the trail is marked they too can follow it. The aspie who bought the CDS was first, the next two were the Investment Banks he bought from, they saw, and jumped in.

Our worlds do overlap, but 1/2% of the people have a monopoly on half the thinking. Only our group can self define the part about what works for us, and it runs in the same universe.

Our choice is to do badly in their world, or do much better in ours.



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17 Mar 2010, 1:02 pm

The annoying thing in the UK is that they use the countryside as an extension of their social map. You can be out quietly marvelling lichen when a whole heard of them come over the hill ,brightly dressed in expensive walking gear which they wear to do a sedate stroll from a car park, talking loudly about the usual jack, and then their cell phones start ringing and they march around talking on those as well!

The oddest NT thing I have seen out there is a 4x4 route. They call them "green lanes". NT's and their families drive 4x4 over these dirt roads at 4mph with bits scraping and falling off non modified road vehicles, and I look in, and their kids are watching stuff on little screens in the back. Then they all go to the pub and begin blabbering about what a great day they had. 'Tis silly, to say the least.



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17 Mar 2010, 2:29 pm

Tthe idea that it evolved as the next step is rediculious since it is uncommon, and therefore less likely to be passed on. However, since "survival of the fittest" is out, societal pressures could, in theory, make it predominant. But society would have to advance to the point where ASD traits equals greater reproduction



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18 Mar 2010, 1:14 am

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Tthe idea that it evolved as the next step is rediculious since it is uncommon, and therefore less likely to be passed on.

That's probably how most variations (including those that go onto predominate) start out.

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However, since "survival of the fittest" is out, societal pressures could, in theory, make it predominant. But society would have to advance to the point where ASD traits equals greater reproduction

"Survival of the fittest" has always been somewhat misleading. Survival of the "fit enough" better presents the reality and it is as true now as it has always been.



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19 Mar 2010, 9:12 am

I once read that the same gene that resists cancer is linked to autism. I have noticed that my friends with ASD have grandparents who died with cancer, but not parents. I have never heard of an autie getting cancer, but I am terrible at google searches, so don't mind that last statement too much. If for some reason cancer was less common in ASD people, what would that mean for everyone?


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19 Mar 2010, 8:21 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27slFlR9CE[/youtube]

Check him out, I just happened to find him when I had a combined search with mayans and aspergers syndrome, I think he has a strong point. :)



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20 Mar 2010, 4:40 am

Kid in video is almost there. All he has to do is make one big leap. You preempt a population via religion for a few thousand years with the apocalyptic memes then this is where their collective action leads. They will not be aware of what they are doing. Those little memetic brain-lighter-uppers will give them what feels like a religious experience every time an individual's role in the global complex interaction is completed. It concatenates across nations, self synchonizes. They can not accept that this is simply nature's solution to over population. Its a culling instinct dressed up in philosophy ,religion, geopolitics, economic theory etc.- keep them blind to it by whatever means and they will cull.

We stand back, start reasoning this through. They lack this capacity to objectify the process they are caught up in. The meek is simply a rule of thumb calculation of outcome of competing evolutionary strategy. It was abstracted and expressed in religious language. When its got the power of something that is experienced as religion it becomes a directive, like a bit of software code running the consciousness of those creating the mass behavior.

Imagine if you could demonstrate this set of apocalyptic memes actually has a mathematical base, show how it triggers of aspects of consciousness. Would you give that to NT's? I bloody well wouldn't.



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20 Mar 2010, 8:25 am

I don't have speakers, but I do push the apocalyptic.

The current all and everything is a fluke, an event caused by odd weather patterns over the last 500 years. In the 500 before the Little Ice Age lead to the waves of Black Death, crop failure, Vikings coming south, and Crusades to dispose of excess population.

A few degrees cooler, we will be back to normal, after the die off.

Nothing I like better than reporting a coming wind storm to those living in a house of cards.

It makes the choice between a Democrat, or a Republican, the Tweedlide, Tweedledum choice it is.

Betting on human failure is as close as it gets to a sure thing.

it is the story of four people in a boat that flips, they are strong, healthy, they hang on to the keel, and over one night three just let go and sink. Most just give up and die.

They are already on the edge, disasters lead to people killing themselves, or each other.

A failure of "Leadership," a population die off.

I am in favor of it.



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20 Mar 2010, 4:05 pm

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Kid in video is almost there. All he has to do is make one big leap. You preempt a population via religion for a few thousand years with the apocalyptic memes then this is where their collective action leads. They will not be aware of what they are doing. Those little memetic brain-lighter-uppers will give them what feels like a religious experience every time an individual's role in the global complex interaction is completed. It concatenates across nations, self synchonizes. They can not accept that this is simply nature's solution to over population. Its a culling instinct dressed up in philosophy ,religion, geopolitics, economic theory etc.- keep them blind to it by whatever means and they will cull.

We stand back, start reasoning this through. They lack this capacity to objectify the process they are caught up in. The meek is simply a rule of thumb calculation of outcome of competing evolutionary strategy. It was abstracted and expressed in religious language. When its got the power of something that is experienced as religion it becomes a directive, like a bit of software code running the consciousness of those creating the mass behavior.

Imagine if you could demonstrate this set of apocalyptic memes actually has a mathematical base, show how it triggers of aspects of consciousness. Would you give that to NT's? I bloody well wouldn't.


I'm sorry for not understanding what you have to say, can you make your post some what simpler to understand?



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20 Mar 2010, 11:21 pm

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I once read that the same gene that resists cancer is linked to autism. I have noticed that my friends with ASD have grandparents who died with cancer, but not parents. I have never heard of an autie getting cancer, but I am terrible at google searches, so don't mind that last statement too much. If for some reason cancer was less common in ASD people, what would that mean for everyone?


My dad is autistic and has had cancer. So now you've heard of it.


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21 Mar 2010, 6:42 am

Honest simple answer, Fear and Arrogance.

The very notion of genetic diversity from the norm is so unthinkable, the idea that normal humans aren't already "perfected" genetically speaking is so "out there" and uncomfortable, is exactly why the first white people to meet an aboriginal IMMEDIATELY assumed they we're not human and we entered the [sarcasm] wonderful time [/sarcasm] of Slavery.

Sorry to disappoint the more scientifically minded of us, but "evolution" and the naturally occuring genetic mutations that enables this process, does not EVER stop except with the complete cessation of that species, but then it carries on in other species, humans ARE and HAVE been evolving, but you are looking from a 90 year life span at a process that works on the microscopic tens of thousands+ years scale, the minor genetic variations in humans that can have multiple "symptoms" but CANNOT be traced to environmental causes (radiation damage/certain toxins) are a result of this slow ongoing often unnoticed process, it has been over ten thousand years since the last Notable evolution of homo spaiens, what? you thought it just stopped cause we rock? heh, no. a number of untraceable (cause wise anyway) birth defects are /possibly/ the result of nature doing what it does, Trying new things by mutating old working systems, some will be, some wont be, but we're easily due a very minor alteration/evolution by now and its possibly happening where we are just not seeing.

RE: Aspie's and evolution, Eee well im about to disappoint some people..

Q&A about Two studies conducted by researchers at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia link specific genes to autism. wrote:
..Most of the copy number variants we have identified that predispose to autism are inherited and it's therefore likely they have been present for some time. [It's] difficult to say how long, but they were transmitted through the parents. The variant we detected at the 5p14 locus (common variant) has been present for a long time in the genome (most likely since man moved out of Africa)...[and that means]it is regulating gene expression and gene function.

source:autism.about.com/od/geneticsandautism/a/chopautism.htm

according to this research genes contributing to autism have potentially been around as early as the dawn of the human species, which would mean we are NOT actually defective, but nor are we the "next step" in evolution, further evidence may show, that just like it turned out the aboriginals (workable example) we're infact human and just very slightly differently evolved (adaptation to environment) that we are just another of the "races"/"branches" of humanity, except we've stayed hidden and our difference has NOT been as visually obvious.

it seems we may be no more supreme than any deluded white/black supremacist and no more evolved than any other race of the human species.



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21 Mar 2010, 5:18 pm

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Sorry to disappoint the more scientifically minded of us, but "evolution" and the naturally occuring genetic mutations that enables this process, does not EVER stop except with the complete cessation of that species,

Being more interested in evolution and evolutonary processes is likely to result in one already knowing this (or at least it should). I have no idea to what extent my mind is scientific, but I certainly know that the processes of evolution continue unabated. I really cannot understand how or why anyone interested in evolution would conclude otherwise.
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according to this research genes contributing to autism have potentially been around as early as the dawn of the human species, which would mean we are NOT actually defective,

It would not necessarily mean any such thing.
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but nor are we the "next step" in evolution, further evidence may show, that just like it turned out the aboriginals (workable example) we're infact human and just very slightly differently evolved (adaptation to environment) that we are just another of the "races"/"branches" of humanity, except we've stayed hidden and our difference has NOT been as visually obvious.

That makes as much sense as describing being blue eyed as being a different race/branch of humanity. It's complete nonsense in my view. What precisely in the environment do you imagine this difference is "adapated" to?



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24 Mar 2010, 5:49 pm

If we all moved to Alaska, then we are guaranteed representation in the U.S. government on a federal level. It's a long shot, but it may work. There is also the possibility of choosing a random country, having EVERY autistic individual capable of the travel move there, and by numbers alone, get everyone else to move out. I think it's a very bad idea, but it sounds like some of this sites users would like it. :roll: I personally don't mind the Alaska idea, though it does have the U.S. immigration laws set against it.


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