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03 Aug 2011, 4:53 pm

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Sure go for it. We are allowed to defend ourselves against poor leadership that effects ourselves. For one you claim myself and others are superior thus effecting how disability is perceived ultimately defamation of the characters of others against the assistance needed paid for by tax-payers because we are disabled. You have no scientific proof however I have counter arguments about how others are perceived when they claim they are superior. Another mode of counter argument is your justification of bigotry toward others which I can argue against given histological examples that it would effect others characters who happen to have autism. Again you lack scientific counter arguments as to why your conducting bigotry to assists myself and others least in character which in history those who conduct bigotry are in general perceived very badly.

I can see you do not support free speech rights but wish to dictate the thoughts, ideas and expressions of others.

enough talking. i would like to see you prove that.


You wanted to punish me by removing my right to speak like you do for speaking my mind. Proof.. Oppression.. Vicious cycle..


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03 Aug 2011, 6:06 pm

lol you start accusing me of taking away your free speech when i ask you for proof... where is your science and historical proof then ci? you talked about it a minute ago. come on i know you love talking, i was asking you to elaborate, not shut up.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:10 pm

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MY guess is you are possibly someone acting like they have autism online and you are going to use yourself and so are some others as an example against people like me against our potential progresses in society.

...want to call a moderator in on this one? they are here to settle defamation of character type arguments. your argument just shows you have nothing left to back yourself up except for petty mudslinging.


There is a conflict of interest between the image of autism for the sake of superiority and that of the one for disability, accommodation and services supports in social services when needed. Superiority is more concerned with pride then otherwise. Pride doesn't want inferiority to be denoted but in order to receive accommodations, social services and disability insurance inferiority thus disability must be present. I'm saying your superiority pride is a back door for special interest groups to say autism is not that much in need after-all and meanwhile your claiming such insertions are defamation.

Defamation advocates to me are nothing more then a brand of socialism taking away the rights that my father, grandfather, that I would and other military combat persons fought or would fight for. Petty


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03 Aug 2011, 6:16 pm

Neurotypicals by declaring and condemning autistics as mentally ill say that we have no rights to any positions of power. However when we allow neurotypicals to have power over us they ruthlessly persecute us. I say let us autistics dispossess our neurotypical tyrants and allow ourselves the autistics to assume positions of power. I think you will find that when autistics are in power our neurotypical subordinates will try to emulate autistic behavior just as we are forced to emulate neurotypical behavior when we try and hold down jobs.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:19 pm

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MY guess is you are possibly someone acting like they have autism online and you are going to use yourself and so are some others as an example against people like me against our potential progresses in society.

...want to call a moderator in on this one? they are here to settle defamation of character type arguments. your argument just shows you have nothing left to back yourself up except for petty mudslinging.


There is a conflict of interest between the image of autism for the sake of superiority and that of the one for disability, accommodation and services supports in social services when needed. Superiority is more concerned with pride then otherwise. Pride doesn't want inferiority to be denoted but in order to receive accommodations, social services and disability insurance inferiority thus disability must be present. I'm saying your superiority pride is a back door for special interest groups to say autism is not that much in need after-all and meanwhile your claiming such insertions are defamation.

self respect and self defense are important. earlier you claimed that any autistic person who got bullied by NTs was not really autistic. how do you justify that? you just love to get down on your knees and beg. the problem with that ci, is that it doesn't pay very well. how are you going to support the entire autistic population on just that. people are going to stop pitying you and then where will you be? what about providing real life jobs? high paying jobs? important people, doing important things? wouldn't that be a better future for the new generation of autistic people to look forward to?



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03 Aug 2011, 6:21 pm

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Neurotypicals by declaring and condemning autistics as mentally ill say that we have no rights to any positions of power. However when we allow neurotypicals to have power over us they ruthlessly persecute us. I say let us autistics dispossess our neurotypical tyrants and allow ourselves the autistics to assume positions of power. I think you will find that when autistics are in power our neurotypical subordinates will try to emulate autistic behavior just as we are forced to emulate neurotypical behavior when we try and hold down jobs.

well, thats definitely my philosophy in a nutshell.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:22 pm

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Neurotypicals by declaring and condemning autistics as mentally ill say that we have no rights to any positions of power. However when we allow neurotypicals to have power over us they ruthlessly persecute us. I say let us autistics dispossess our neurotypical tyrants and allow ourselves the autistics to assume positions of power. I think you will find that when autistics are in power our neurotypical subordinates will try to emulate autistic behavior just as we are forced to emulate neurotypical behavior when we try and hold down jobs.


Your mentality is one of persistent and chronic reprisal. I garnish power and influence by being respectful and tolerant of misunderstandings from what you would consider N.T's. As the Autism Spectrum is so wide it can be easily said some of the harsher stereotypes were of those consider "low functioning". The social mess will clear in time but to gain power and constructive influence you really got to drop the bad attitude and be more constructive as vindictiveness helps no one and destroys potential economic alliances.

Remember when you are talking about N.T's your talking about my mother and father. You also talking about some very compassion and honorable people. You will not make it that far by in-sighting a leadership tact as you do. If you want to win in this world you got to compromise, be diplomatic and work together (with others with autism, disabilities and the mainstream). The people around us in this world are best suited to be allies then foes otherwise it will effect everyone collectively.


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03 Aug 2011, 6:28 pm

yeah ci you keep up that bs everybody loves you and this world is perfect. everybody is equal and wants to help out people who happen to fall out. nobody wants to take your money or use you. there are no gangs, wars, terrorists, and in fact there are not really any problems at all.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:31 pm

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MY guess is you are possibly someone acting like they have autism online and you are going to use yourself and so are some others as an example against people like me against our potential progresses in society.

...want to call a moderator in on this one? they are here to settle defamation of character type arguments. your argument just shows you have nothing left to back yourself up except for petty mudslinging.


There is a conflict of interest between the image of autism for the sake of superiority and that of the one for disability, accommodation and services supports in social services when needed. Superiority is more concerned with pride then otherwise. Pride doesn't want inferiority to be denoted but in order to receive accommodations, social services and disability insurance inferiority thus disability must be present. I'm saying your superiority pride is a back door for special interest groups to say autism is not that much in need after-all and meanwhile your claiming such insertions are defamation.

self respect and self defense are important. earlier you claimed that any autistic person who got bullied by NTs was not really autistic. how do you justify that? you just love to get down on your knees and beg. the problem with that ci, is that it doesn't pay very well. how are you going to support the entire autistic population on just that. people are going to stop pitying you and then where will you be? what about providing real life jobs? high paying jobs? important people, doing important things? wouldn't that be a better future for the new generation of autistic people to look forward to?


Never did I claim that you invented that. In the real world people have disabilities. These disabilities must be understood. If you are yourself to shallow to realize that and consider it pity then this merely reflects on you. You got a reaction to reality as if it is designed to keep you down when in fact the reality of others is the truth with concern to disability. If it's not reflective of you then it may only be partially true to you in the disability aspect. If you are not disabled but still have what you call autism then their is to me no reason to have a label other then what your doing which is using it to advance yourself with the loyalty of some others who are simply angry.

If you want high paying jobs then you work at it. It's not my responsibility to give you a job simply becuase your angry. You must earn it. In what I do I creates possibilities and some jobs making products for those that want to make products. It's not my responsibility to make you a special position because you feel to be a victim of the world and demand it to provide all your wishes or else they oppress you.

It's a harsh real world and it will never be fair but there are good ways to fight for justice and ways that seem to create more problems.


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03 Aug 2011, 6:33 pm

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yeah ci you keep up that bs everybody loves you and this world is perfect. everybody is equal and wants to help out people who happen to fall out. nobody wants to take your money or use you. there are no gangs, wars, terrorists, and in fact there are not really any problems at all.


It's about attitude in approach. Positivity create positivity. Hard feelings creates hard feelings. Hard work with the right approaches creates results that are typically better then reckless approaches derived of anger and reprisals.


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03 Aug 2011, 6:40 pm

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yeah ci you keep up that bs everybody loves you and this world is perfect. everybody is equal and wants to help out people who happen to fall out. nobody wants to take your money or use you. there are no gangs, wars, terrorists, and in fact there are not really any problems at all.


It's about attitude in approach. Positivity create positivity. Hard feelings creates hard feelings. Hard work with the right approaches creates results that are typically better then reckless approaches derived of anger and reprisals.

I could go say hi one of my NT classmates and they would spit on me. I'm willing to work but no one will pay me. they would rather hire a lazy NT who would look them in the eye and say the right things. all i am saying is that people need to get past these barriers to be productive. and if i need to force them to get past these barriers then i will. its really that simple. its all about giving autistic people a chance at being successful.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:44 pm

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yeah ci you keep up that bs everybody loves you and this world is perfect. everybody is equal and wants to help out people who happen to fall out. nobody wants to take your money or use you. there are no gangs, wars, terrorists, and in fact there are not really any problems at all.


It's about attitude in approach. Positivity create positivity. Hard feelings creates hard feelings. Hard work with the right approaches creates results that are typically better then reckless approaches derived of anger and reprisals.

I could go say hi one of my NT classmates and they would spit on me. I'm willing to work but no one will pay me. they would rather hire a lazy NT who would look them in the eye and say the right things. all i am saying is that people need to get past these barriers to be productive. and if i need to force them to get past these barriers then i will. its really that simple. its all about giving autistic people a chance at being successful.


Instead of using the word force use the word motivate. That simple change of word is more along the lines of what I do. I'm one person and as one person exposed to an online self-advocacy in brutal political conflict with itself. The best I can do is assure what I do has nothing to do with it until it understands and works out where the conflicts of interest are. I can help with this and it won't take much time at all. That's why I am releasing papers on some important issues relevant to the general autism political equilibrium. As a community of at least the online individuals far much more can be done together with the help of the so called N.T's (mainstream) with as much energy spent on small matters that are bickered about regularly.

I will write the papers and if it doesn't work itself out in the next few months I will not consider it again and move on.


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03 Aug 2011, 7:00 pm

im not real impressed with this thread it seems a little crazy on both sides of the debate but i would like to point to ci.you talk about compassion but all i see is you baiting people,you speak against pride but i see no humility


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03 Aug 2011, 7:00 pm

im not real impressed with this thread it seems a little crazy on both sides of the debate but i would like to point to ci.you talk about compassion but all i see is you baiting people,you speak against pride but i see no humility


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03 Aug 2011, 7:01 pm

im not real impressed with this thread it seems a little crazy on both sides of the debate but i would like to point to ci.you talk about compassion but all i see is you baiting people,you speak against pride but i see no humility


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03 Aug 2011, 7:05 pm

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im not real impressed with this thread it seems a little crazy on both sides of the debate but i would like to point to ci.you talk about compassion but all i see is you baiting people,you speak against pride but i see no humility


Mr. Vermont you speak against pride and the likes of Autism Speaks. Yet you yourself have presented no solid solutions. In this little social arena if you show to much humility you will be accused of pity and if you show to much pride it does not discern enough of the real needs of the wider spectrum of autism. This is all part of the equilibrium context of autism politics. One of which I personally do not want to be a leader in the general context of other issues. I can see how issues conflict with other important issues but unless someone takes the time to write it out to create the evolution of context and individuated needs all I personally expect from it is ciaos which neither concerns humility nor pride as a whole but saying it bluntly.

The difference between the concepts of baiting and debate is how popular the original opinion was within a group.

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