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Except that I clearly said "UK", not "Northern Ireland" (a semi devolved province where they even have a different electoral system, and not a "tory" or "new labour" man in sight) and it has taken you four days (and a lot of nitpicking about Scottish Devolution from Marcia), to come up with this particular excuse, the only offensive part is that you may even think I am stupid enough to buy it (though I suspect it is more of a semantic exercise leading into a longer game I will not be engaging with).

Here is what I said, pretty obvious to anyone but a complete fool that I meant the UK mainland.



Now, I do not read your posts any more, simply because they are full of distorted facts, manipulation of information sources and fallacious conclusions...padded out with every tactical trick in the book (which is just annoying), and frankly, there is absolutely nothing you can do to force me to read and engage with your posts any more either. I am satisfied that nobody much pays you one iota of attention on the topic of Autism Speaks, so there is no need to counter your posts, most people see through them anyway, and life is too short.

Have a nice day.

Honey, I know it's early in the day...but will you please do yourself a monumental favour and go out and get laid.

You may even come back capable of posting rationally, which will make a nice change.

Thanks for clarifying the political situation in Northern Ireland. I haven't claimed any knowledge of the system there and how it relates to the UK, I just understand that it is considered part of the UK and as your homeland, unless you clarify otherwise; my comment was a sincere one as it related to the homeland of several people, and didn't notice your objection to it until yesterday. Hope you have a good day as well.

Pretty obvious to any reasonable man, that I was talking about the UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

With a passing reference to American States:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_states

It is also obvious to any reasonable man that I was not talking about Ireland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland

It is even more obvious to any reasonable man that Aghogday is playing a game traditionally known as "Silly B*ggers" for which wikipedia, sadly, does not seem to have an entry.

Again, my reference was to where you lived, understood Northern Ireland to be part of the UK, and did not realize that what you were talking about in the UK did not apply in Northern Ireland where I understand you live that is part of the UK.

Again, I appreciate the differences you clarify that I was unaware of between Northern Ireland and the UK, if I knew you lived in England, and your were talking about the UK, I would have stated England as the place you live, not the UK, regardless if you were talking about the UK.

Perhaps I should research every word I say before I state it, but I don't mind being corrected when I state something someone finds offensive, when my intention is not to present it as an offensive statement.

I live in the US, again I don't suggest I understand the politics between Northern Ireland and UK, only that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and it is my understanding that you live there.

If you don't live in Northern Ireland I apologize for misunderstanding that part, but since you haven't corrected my understanding on that point, I'm guessing I haven't misunderstood where you live; if I am misunderstanding you on that point, please clarify that you don't live there, and I would be happy to be corrected on my misunderstanding on that point as well.

Excessive verbiage on my part here, but I am trying to clarify to you why I said what I did, I'm not sure why you will not accept an apology for something I sincerely stated that you took offense to.

I'm not Omnipresent, I don't understand every fact in every country. You seem to be very knowledgeable about what goes on where you live, and involved in what is going on, that's a good thing, as far as I can see.

I'm not seeing it through your eyes, so I'm not sure why you would expect me to understand everything you understand where you live. I don't live there, I learn from people like you that do.

Thanks for the Wiki-Links you have got me more interested in how the United Kingdom actually works in relation to the countries that are part of it, and the differences in politics of each specific country that is part of the United Kingdom as a whole. I never really thought about it much before. There's enough going on over here, to keep me fairly busy.

For future reference:

When I say "UK" I mean the United Kingdom, as centrally administered by Westminster.

It I am referring to a regional variation on that I will simply state "Wales" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales ) or "Scotland" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland ).

If I have cause to refer to Northern Ireland, I will say "Northern Ireland" or "NI" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland )

If I just say "Ireland" or use the acronym "IE" I mean the Republic of Ireland, which is a separate state entirely in no way affiliated with the United Kingdom... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland

Stop playing silly semantic games Aghogday...I see clean through you and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that, or corner me into pretending otherwise...now or ever.

I intend to avoid engaging with you from now on. Whatever nonsense you come up with next...

I see your words you see mine, in a reasonable discussion people understand, misunderstand, dispute, and clarify issues. It's not a game, for me, it is an attempt at communication, which while it has not been easy, has been a sincere one. Judge it if you will, in the present, and not in your past.

Maybe you can't see it, but I attempt to assist you as well. I don't expect assistance from anyone else, but I have been fortunate, it has been provided in many ways by many people throughout my life.

I appreciate the further links and clarifications of communication. I like some of your opinions, and would like the continued ability to have the opportunity to agree and/or disagree with them and provide counter evidence and/or opinion in response to them. If you see that as a game, it is one I enjoy playing.

If you don't want to participate that is a fair decision for you to make. In fact if you don't want to see my opinions at all there are identified methods of blocking the input of posters in the wrongplanet.net forum section.

I was born with hyperlexia, semantics has been a way of life for me, sorry if that irritates you.

The impairment most frequently associated with Autism, is communication, if we can find better ways to understand each other, it is more likely that we will be able to understand other individuals in the future. Many times we are unaware of our impairments until someone points them out to us. We can all learn facts through books, but improvement in communication requires a bit of trial and error and humility as well.

Then I suggest you confine your "attempts to assist" to others who require and consent to in future.



Hyperlexia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlexia ) is just another of your tactical straw man arguments and has not yet been associated with any form of compulsion to manipulate information sources to create fallacious arguments and twisting the words of others, to play people, which is what actually "irritates" (I would put it a great deal more strongly) me about you - as I have already stated.

As stated before if you can provide any specific evidence where I have intentionally presented fallacious facts countered with evidence to refute them, I will be happy to correct them. You have suggested I've done this, but have yet to provide any real evidence that I have done this other than empty accusations.

I don't take it personally because it seems to be your response when others disagree with your opinion and present facts to back up their opinions as well. I see it as more constructive to disagree with facts with counter facts rather than statements to insult the character, or intelligence of others.

Whatever...

To all:
I don't like bullsh*t, I don't like headgames, I cannot pretend to be unaware of them, I certainly cannot play along with them, and I am a real Aspie, at the end of the day I haven't got a clue what to do but call it the way it is...so sue me...

I'm sorry you think I'm playing head games with you, I've disagreed with your opinions, but I respect you as an individual regardless, and understand your life hasn't been an easy one. I'm trying to be as tactful as possible, I don't see others as playing headgames with you, even if I come across that way to you.

Seeing intention that may not be there, is part of a mind that systemizes and analyzes, I take that in consideration for myself and others. I don't doubt that you may be seeing this in a different way than I do. It's part of the limitations of written communication.

While I'm being accused of "nitpicking" I may as well point out that I said nothing about devolution and the comments I made in reponse to your misunderstandings about the Scottish education system and the make-up of Britain would be valid even without devolution.

The Scottish education system has always been independent of and different from the system in the rest of the UK. You erred in saying that my son would be "statemented" and when you explained to me what you meant by that, I in turn explained the Scottish system to you.

You made a statement a few days ago, on this thread, about British social systems which I found interesting so I asked you for the source of your information. When you provided that information I thanked you, and also noted that it referred to England and Wales, so doesn't actually on its own fully substantiate any comment about Britain as a whole.

It does seem strange to me that you are so pedantic, although perhaps a little disingenuous, about Ireland as it relates to the UK, but are down on me for clarifying Scotland's position within the Union and how that relates to the systems being discussed on this and other threads.

Discussions about such matters as education, health and social care policies and procedures are more meaningful if there is an understanding of the variance of these systems across the UK. The benefits system is a reserved matter, determined by Westminster, so we can talk about that in a UK context.




When someone in Ireland refers to the "UK mainland" that clearly implies that they are in fact in the North, and so in the part of the UK which is not the "mainland". It seems a strange statement to make as part of an argument that someone should have known that you were in the South.

In case anyone is wondering what Marcia and Aghogday are actually playing at, this should explain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation

My grandfather was from Ireland. It's a place I have always wanted to visit. Wish I had done it when I was younger. My sister and mother had that opportunity. It seems like it would be a nice place to live. The last thing I expected was for you to get upset because I mentioned where you lived which I understood was part of the UK.

I explained why I stated it and offered an apology, although I meant no harm by the statement. You got upset more when I offered an explanation and apologized since apparently you thought, that was offensive too.

I looked at the definition of manipulation and couldn't find where offering an apology and explanation of a misunderstanding was psychological manipulation. You quote my apologetic statement, another poster suggests they would have understood it in the way I do, so they are welcomed into your category for me as someone who is psychologically manipulating you.

As long as you continue to assault my character I will defend it in as tactful a way as possible. While you may consider that manipulation, my response seems fair enough, to me, when someone is suggesting I am doing something I am not.

I do like to be a positive influence, when possible; I don't mind agreeing, disagreeing, offering factual evidence to back up opinions, correcting myself, offering an apology, or defending myself or others as necessary. If you insist on having the last word, all you have to do is stop attacking my character. Otherwise, it seems like the best choice would be for us just to agree to disagree.

and then...


So you make a comment to sound like you have made the final word and then you make another comment saying that another person is attempting psychological manipulation. Do as you say other's do seems to be your motto.