Asperger syndrome and Libertarianism idea

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This is directed to the OP since I am a little late in this thread.

Libertarian is a philosophy that government should not get involved with social aspects and that the only job government should have is to keep order and protect individual liberties. For example if I do something to someone else and it prevents them from having their rights then government comes in to correct that action. Same goes for business practices and so on. However we as free people should ideally by our own accord assist those who need help. This is more of a moral principal than anything. Something that most Americans lack these days. However lack thereof it should never be the government?s responsibility to enforce social standards. Those issues should be handled independently at state level only through a democratic process. This view should not make Libertarians seem self-indulged. Libertarians can have a selfless cause and in my opinion have more of a selfless cause than our Republican and Democrat counterparts. You make all Libertarians out to be evil. While there are some selfish Libertarians it is also safe to say that there are selfish Republicans and Democrats. So it is unfair to take the characteristics of a few Libertarians and generalize all Libertarians to be as such. It almost makes you sound like you have your own political agenda and are imposing your own bias views.

Where do you see self this and self that in a Libertarian philosophy?

Hmm... I lean toward Libertarianism in regards to the role of the Federal government and related politics on the national level. I share the Libertarian distrust of big government central planning out of Washington D.C..

I think the control of social programs and safety nets technically belongs to the jurisdiction of the States. If the Federal government plays any role in safety nets it should only be a subservient one to the States in regards to supplemental funding. (I do recognize a potential paperwork issue under this thinking when a person moves to another state but I think that can be addressed as easily as State Unemployment Insurance).

Above is not my argument.but in my opinion Socialist countries are not for Aspies because in these countries e.g China,India. individualism behavior is not acceptable, and the society there are very hate toward individualism and other kind of loner behaviors.there can be no freedom for being alone, socially withdrawal from the other peoples or society are disregard and accursed

Capitalism is the symbol of greedy and selfishness, it's make a large gap between the rich and the poor especially in some Socialist countries.In socialist and third world country especially in their metropolitan big city you can see there a dystopic condition where the rich collecting their money and staying in their comfortable elegant mansion being a social hermit with their semi Autistic nature. while the poor living in the ghetto where the neighbor infested by Socialist proletars who are very hate Libertarians and have a low toleration toward social eccentricity.Much of them are factory industrial workers, construction workers, thugs, street mechanics, beggars, and other low class jobs who love socializing and blaming individualist peoples like you.

What happen if a Asperger live in there ?
Peoples with Asperger are Libertarians.if you are loner and tend to do anything by yourself (self this, self that, formyself) you must change your bad selfish behavior immediately and follow the right social norm.because if you live there with Asperger syndome your neighborhood will accurse and extrude you together in the name of socialism.you will ended up being a underground outsider hiding from place to place try to survive, if you are jobless you'll be live in the ghetto ...but if you rich, perhaps you can try to live in the mansion or luxury penthouse.

Socialism peoples are very conservative and they are not accept or tolerate anykind of eccentricity.some of them are spiritualist, some other are irreligious

but businesses should be allowed to have unrestricted free competition. i agree the poor need to be helped, but not by the government. the people need to do that on their own.

This libertarian Aspie thinks Socialists are selfish jerks who haven't emotionally matured past the "It's not fair I want that toy too" stage, which is why the idolise Karl Marx's crap.

how do libertarians want to assault freedom?

Very well said. People are self-serving and greedy by nature. The way to get people to work hard and productively is to understand this. In free-market capitalism, people will put the work and voluntarily take on the more demanding job because they come with a reward of higher pay. You consequently get a far better quality of service in a capitalist society, because if your business doesn't serve its customers, someone else will come along and take your customers, and all the profits that come with them. To illustrate, look at the cars that are produced in communist countries i.e. Lada, Yugo, FSO. All cheap, poorly built and unreliable. That's what you get when a government just assigns people to jobs in a car factory (it may not work quite like this but you get the point.

i don't believe in government safety nets for cooperations, so you can pretty much be thankful we libertarians don't want that. capitalism, while not perfect, solves more problems than any other system.

Really, in what way does capitalism solve more problems than any other system?....even at its basis it puts profit before human dignity/rights. I mean for instance if you privatize all the public services that doesn't really solve problems that just turns everything into a product people have to buy and cannot have if they cannot afford. In earlier america more pure capitalism was attempted, but regulations had to be created to try and prevent things like employee abuse and very dangerous working conditions, companies monopolizing too much.

In order to keep capitalism from being a barbaric system it needs regulations, but even regulated its not exactly 'solving' a lot of problems.

I think that the main misconception that a sizable number of people have us that libertarianism and socialism are mutually exclusive. There is actually a range of thought that is libertarian socialist. Socialism does not have to necessarily involve a state. A co-operative enterprise is also an example of socialism in action.

What do you think about this argument :

That is, libertarian thought verges on advocating a form of society very much along the lines of the "one-sided" and "self-centered" social nature of Aspies. Yes, as anyone familiar with the condition would observe here, those with Asperger's aren't individualistic in a technically autistic sense, i.e. they're not asocially withdrawn. But they do have a style of social interaction that's very much on the autistic spectrum, and that tends to define them as "individualistic in outlook" and given to a "lack of interest in socialization". It's this kind of autistic individuality that libertarianism can easily be seen as ideologically enshrining, in the form of its tenet of "self-ownership", and its glorification of every-man-for-himself free-marketarian economics and its cornerstone principle of self-interest.

Self-ownership, self-interest, self-this and self-that indeed. Note the frequency of occurrence of the word self in the conversation and philosophy of libertarians. They do rather appear to think in terms centered on atomized selves. I really don't think that it would be an unfair exaggeration at all to say that they in fact seem to have taken a centered-on-radically-individualistic-selves, a thoroughly self-centered orientation, and parlayed it into a political orthodoxy that rationalizes and validates it for them.

And, moreover, contrary to their professed belief in freedom, libertarians yearn to impose this self-centered orientation & orthodoxy on the rest of us, by promoting capitalism in its most antisocially individualistic, Darwinianly competitive form. Quite like political Aspies, libertarians first superimpose their own social way of being in the world on their thinking about society, and the next move of course is to go from superimposing to imposing. The sociopolitical thinking that feels so right to the liberpergerarian, to coin an awkward term, feels like it would be right and best for society as a whole. Naturally enough then, the liberpergerarian becomes a proponent, often a utopian and zealous one, of ideologically purifying our current mixed form of capitalism and visiting a more inhumanely selfist system upon his neighbor.

Asperger is the libertarianism

Now then, the possible painful human consequences of creating a socioeconomic order based to such an extreme extent on individualism perhaps doesn't adequately register with libertarians because of another hallmark Asperger's trait. I'm referring to the Aspie's distinctive deficit in the empathy department. An empathy deficit, does this sound at all like something that's characteristic of libertarianism and its adherents? That was a rhetorical question, by the way.

Libertarian philosophy of course often places no emphasis or value on the qualities of empathy and social compassion at all. In its most extreme version it even explicitly denounces such touchy-feely ethical qualities. Predictably, it thoroughly intellectualizes this with some of its key social concepts and its free-marketarian economics. But this is all really quite a lot of ideological self-justification of unfeeling self-centeredness. Libertarians can try as they may, but the leave-everyone-to-his-own-devices-and-to-the-winners-go-all-and-the-losers-can-die-and-decrease-the-surplus-population ethos of the their not so dear movement certainly bespeaks a lack of empathy. A veritably clinical lack of empathy, one that is yet another nail in the diagnosis of libertarianism as politicized Asperger's.

Next on the list of shared symptoms, the linear logicality & rigid rationalism of both Aspies and libertarians. Ever noticed how libertarians tend to be intellectually rather like latter-day scholastic philosophers, intensely, logic-choppingly, and doctrinairely rationalizing their politico-economic articles of faith the way medieval thinkers used to take their theological rationalizations to the extreme of deductively proving how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And have you ever noticed how downright obsessive libertarians can be about the concepts of their creed, and about defending their intellectual validity? A penchant to be tenaciously logical and intellectually obsessive, doesn't this sound at least a tad Asperger's-like?!