Sperm donor was AS

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Having "rights" do not extend to lying or fraud at the expense of others and if you were a woman bragging about lying to an egg donation bank in order to "show NT sosicety" based on political motivations you'd be getting the same reactions.

I don't want to add to the tidal wave of anger at your decision to not disclose your diagnosis. Could you tell me what sense of justice would there be for the parents who obtained your sperm under the misapprehension your sperm were screened?. You claim to have empathy so how do (honestly) you think they would feel if their child was diagnosed with autism. Where is the justice in that?

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He claims his cause is moral and that he protesting eugenics.. all while trying to practice it himself.

Under the current climate the OP's stance could be construed as biological terrorism.

For instance Animal Liberation claim their cause is moral and just but then they advocate harming those who conduct life saving research using animals which if they succeeded would in turn cost the lives of countless people waiting for treatment for otherwise untreatable diseases.

I don't think it's worth argueing with OP further. Instead I sent links to his original posts to the authorities, media and facilities that might care about his deception, I suggest you all do the same.

So... that's one way to deal with it.
Sending that stuff to the media- specifically- could potentially have extreme repercussions on the entire site, though.
If you actually did that, you didn't really think that action through, did you?

Morality, life, solutions to such problems are not black and white. So- if people want to figure out a "solution" to this, please at least think of the possible consequences.

ETA:
I use the term "solution" loosely, and only because I can't even think of any kind of more appropriate word.

I strongly disagree with this approach, as I feel it could harm the ASD community. This guy will come across as representative of the community, not as controversial within it.

I'm well aware. Unfortunately, that really isn't my problem or my fault. OP should have thought about that before he did it and then announced it in a rather public forum. To me it's the same thing as running into a crowded mall and loudly announcing that you've just committed a crime. I would report that person too. Sitting by and doing nothing is very similar to giving passive approval to the act, which I do not. I give zero approval to this act. Not reporting this, in droves, will make the community look worse imo. Morally I have to do it. It's very black and white for me, sorry.

I would not do this myself however judging by the results of the poll.. which strangely changed when things got heated and issues of sexism became involved would they really be wrong about this site? Admin allowed a thread that was actually bragging about breaking the law and seemed to be encouraging others to do the same "for autism pride" basically. This is not the first time that WP has been seen to encourage criminal behaviour. If WP does not want bad press it needs to clean it's act up.

I myself ended up being attacked ferociously in another thread and it ONLY got locked after I defended myself properly.. and it was pretty clear it was because I'm female. Now I am not sure if it was locked because of personal attacks or because of my response.

Women are generally NOT respected on this site.

There are a few men who have tried to speak out but this disrespect is imbedded in this site's culture. Their words fell on deaf ears.

..and again the poll proves this to me. He confessed and bragged about this.. a CRIMINAL act. Fraud... and then martyrs himself because people say his actions are sociopath.

He seeks to impregnate women with his semen in order to punish NT culture for oppressing aspies.

Now I only returned to this site a little while ago and there are a couple of males that DO respect women and are not bigoted against NTs. I fear that they are vastly outnumbered however I thank them for trying to do the right thing.

To be clear: Just because I understand the moral reasoning behind his actions doesn't mean I in anyway endorse them.

As a moral relativist, I choose to make the distinction between ethics and morals. In my opinion, the OP is a sick and repugnant person with no ethics (as evidenced by his blatantly illegal actions.) However, that doesn't mean his moral justifications are any less valid than anyone elses. People don't shoot up Abortion clinics or suicide bomb cafes because they are ethical, they do it because in thier own twisted fanatical heads they are morally righteous.

So in the OPs defense, he's not an immoral person, just a mentally deranged fanatic who really shouldn't be passing on his genes to anyone.

By that same token, CWA was more than justified reporting him (as her morals tell her it's the right thing to do.)

I don't know.

Frankly I'm sick of every damn thread on this site inevitably turning into a platform for sexism/gender oppression/mens or womens or transgender or othergender rights/asexual or other sexual identity rights/etc... It seems there is no debate or discussion free of this gender/sexual oppression topic.

I'm not sure I agree that is what this issue is about, personally. I think it is about feeling an insane amount of entitlement- which affects EVERYONE.

But if anyone wants to split it among gender, that's their thing. I mean, not like any of the potential offspring will be boys or there would be an infertile fathers involved in this whole potential debacle.

I mean, just saying.


...so wait am I making a point or just being oppressive here, or what? I can't even TELL what I'm doing because of the insanity that is ever present.

...and also, you missed the specifics and why I took issue- it wasn't the reporting. It was that she said she contacted the media, and another poster expressed valid concerns as well. That was the issue- contacting the media- and I also said why. But maybe you missed that as well. *frustrated*

For me, I'm not suggesting do nothing.
...but why the media? You feel no moral obligation to the people on this site [in the very least] with whom you engage frequently? And yet you seem to feel a moral obligation to report a person to the media because... why?

In reporting to the authorities and appropriate facilities that can be effective action. Why the media? I am seriously interested in how your moral compass motivated you to do that, and how it weighed out the possible negative repercussions on this site and the people who come here and often see it as a safe haven.

Honestly, the moderators do their best, they work hard to be fair and balanced, but they are human and they are ASD, too. They have a right to their own opinions and their own issues and I know they are not anti-women. But the general sense in the past, at least, was that you had to allow members to express themselves and hash things out as long as they were not in direct violation of the rules and the simple truth is that a lot of the membership has limited respect for women, often because of personal life experiences (and how they got that is something I could write books about, but won't; basically, I think people end up with the life experience they look for, at times). That segment will make life hell if you do anything more than directly enforce stated rules, and so the emphasis has been on keeping them within the stated rules - which are pretty broad.

Moderating here is about the worst job, ever, and I know that from experience. You can't win with anyone.

Basically we have some unique problems that seem to come with the territory when dealing with such a broad swatch of the ASD community and differing levels of impairment, personal experience, and self-knowledge.

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I think you have made an excellent point with the bolded, above.

And each person's entitlement is likely to run flat on against someone else's. Hence, the constant barrage.

I actually do really understand how it can be frustrating to see things going on, or words being said and then debate with yourself and have a hard time "picking your battles" especially if you have a lot of that stuff going on day to day. And I agree, from experience also: moderating kind of sucks- if you step in one place, you have to step in every situation that is remotely similar and that's not... always going to work, or even stick. It's often way better to try to be less controlling and let the community work it out themselves, in my experience- those are the changes that tend to stick anyway. It's a thankless job [except you feel maybe you are making a helpful community for people]. But I know that can be exceptionally frustrating as a user. I feel it as a user. And i know i am new, but I think there are things which are common in a lot of communities- as users we experience frustrations that pour from our daily lives and are keenly sensitive to them. There are often too few moderators on support boards simply because you can't just throw anyone in the position and they tend to get easily burnt out- plus they have their own issues to contend with. Everyone has valid points, and from all sides it can be frustrating.

So, riley, for my part? I'm sorry I most likely- I'm not going to even really question it- came off as a huge jerk face in response to what you wrote. I DO understand that you probably find a lot of your actions to result in just what you said, and you probably feel that a lot. I also think there are certain areas of the board where that is going to happen more often. BUT I think some of these areas are going to draw the individuals who are likely to challenge others more- and THAT is going to bring up other challenging topics of discussion. I don't think you should avoid these areas though, if that is possibly the case. I think maybe we should do some brain storming [we, being... anyone?] to figure out how to deal with the situations as they seem to be developing better?

I don't know. Maybe that is wishful thinking. Anyway. I do understand where you are coming from, I think riley. I feel frustrated too, but i think from a different place.

Um... ok.
game on?
[I dunno, whatever... carry on]

There is no button to signal just non-emotional agreement so:
"non-emotional agreement" and *nod*.