Should eradicating autism be a hate crime?

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That's your opinion. So how does that make me a troll? I'm not flaming, I'm not posting derogatory comments about other posters based on their personal beliefs on unrelated threads, and I'm not using the same tactics schoolyard bullies used ten years ago in the playground. All of which you ARE doing. So please stop, or at the very least keep it to a relevant thread.

Just a question: what do you think causes autism?

So according to you I have absolutely no right to be furious at a person who demonstrates a total lack of respect for public health. You might not call that flaming or trolling, but I do. Anyone who promotes a line that threatens public health is a troll in my book, and I also find such content derogatory towards anyone who supports vaccines as I do.

I think I don't quite know.

What I do know is that it's got a correlation between the existence of a bunch of different genes, the varied interactions of which cause the symptoms that combined create autism and/or aspergers and/or other autism spectrum situations, of which I am entirely ignorant.

You're welcome to disagree with my opinions, but keep them to a relevent thread please. I also find your such content derogatory towards anyone who supports choice on whether or not to vaccinate, as I do.

Oh, and as an aside, you might also note that in reality my everyday actions do the exact opposite of demonstrate a total lack of respect for public health - I'm a student of natural medicine. My everyday life, in just a few short years, will be to day in, day out, help heal people when they're sick and 'boost public health' as you put it. That's what I'm forking out thousands and thousands to do, and spend half my time (when not at work) studying etc etc, so that I can help make unhealthy people healthy. Health is my autistic obsession.

I'd agree with this!!

Though, I believe firmly that you can add to the bunch of different genes a bunch of different external factors. And what they are I am determined to find out!!

I suppose that largely explains why you have no understanding of real medicine and thus have no respect for public health. "A pocket full of posies" to cure plague.

Although we agree on the basis of my quote. We do not agree that there are external factors. Ya either is or ya ain't. I is, and nothing external can change that.

Thassa fact.

Err, let's see now. Over 85% of your 'real medicines' are synthetic analogues of natural plants and substances, if not the substance itself packaged and sold under a fake sounding name.

The number one cause of death in the United States today, and in the top five of most developed nations, is iatrogenic - as in, caused by 'real medicine' or 'real medical' 'mistakes'.

Most of your beloved 'real medicine' works largely on placebo effects, or has such a low rate of effectiveness it would, in any other circumstance, be ignored or not used at all.

'Real medicine', as you put it, remains the most lethal of all forms of medicine.

Natural medicine has moved on a fair bit since the middle ages - the only ones using pockets full of posies and wishful thinking are the doctors who think they can cure things by injecting or ingestion of toxins and highly-potent chemicals. The only difference now is that they're in pill form, rather than carried around as mouldy plants and food.



So by all means use your 'real medicine' and whatever works for you, but do NOT be fooled into thinking it's the only effective way of treating or curing the many ills that plague humanity. There are many of us who find the traditional, alternative route to healing to be the safer and more effective way. That doesn't make us witch doctors or idiots. In some place you can even get clinics where MDs and naturopathic doctors work side by side, referring patients to one another!! You might want to check out the Oxford Journal of Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine for some interesting papers.


EDIT: Typos.

Please can we get away from the flaming now and back to the subject of the thread?????

Last edited by LeKiwi on 01 Apr 2008, 6:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I can live with that.

Talking about vaccines and a possible connection to autism is not trolling.

There is no connection between the two - that's been well and truly established. So contradicting that established fact is trolling in my book - for what it's worth (added so I don't look like a back seat mod).

The only thing that's been established is that there is no direct causal relationship. That does not mean no one has ever harmed by vaccines. It also does not mean that the discussion is over. It may, however, mean that you no longer wish to participate in the discussion.

Your continued efforts to shut people up will not be tolerated. We support a wide range of diverse perspectives here. If your not prepared to tolerate points of view that are different from your own, well, tolerance and diversity are two of our primary vaules here, so you should be asking yourself if you really want to participate on a forum that supports the expression of opinions about the issue that are different from your own (as well as your own opinions about the issue) and one that requires from it's members so much tolerance of different points of view.

I do consider it to be a hate crime.

I don't believe that TLPG is in essence trying to "shut anyone up". If you or LeKiwi or anyone else for that matter were to actually bring in facts that showed that there was room for "tolerance" or "diversity" on the topic, I am certain that TLPG, like the rest of us, would welcome it. Supporting the expression of bullsh*t is not on, in any forum. EVER. Any opinion that even remotely suggests that there is ANY connection between VACCINES and AUTISM is full of SH*T. It has been proven time and again that there is NO connection. How much fact do you need or is blindly subscribing to the Jenny McCarthy school of "I'm a Mom and Moms know" an acceptable "opinion"?

Bullsh*t is bullsh*t, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

If it's an opinion based on fact... bring it on. Otherwise, it's just bullsh*t in light of the facts that have been presented ad nauseum.

-- ugh... here we go again.

Let's just leave this for the vaccines thread, eh? There's already a biggie going on there with plenty of arguments for and against; let's not let it all spill over into other threads dedicated to other topics and questions.