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03 Aug 2011, 7:54 pm

ci, i think i meant force. how else are you gonna get what you want? beg? you talk about "services" that the government needs to pay for, but wouldn't "jobs" and "productivity" supply the money and then all of us wouldn't need to be ruled over by tyrants and forced to beg for your precious "services". I have had enough "services" in my life to know that they all cost a lot, they don't really do much, and at the end of the day the original problems are not solved, you are in debt, and you just wasted your day begging and having your life endangered and head messed with.



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03 Aug 2011, 8:05 pm

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ci, i think i meant force. how else are you gonna get what you want? beg? you talk about "services" that the government needs to pay for, but wouldn't "jobs" and "productivity" supply the money and then all of us wouldn't need to be ruled over by tyrants and forced to beg for your precious "services". I have had enough "services" in my life to know that they all cost a lot, they don't really do much, and at the end of the day the original problems are not solved, you are in debt, and you just wasted your day begging and having your life endangered and head messed with.


What I do is a balance between giving people who use my disability to gain a living a way to live and enticing those same individuals to create circumstances in which we to can gain a better life and become independent of them. Some of us are in more need then others. I see no value nor merit in a costly system which does very little effective works to create more assured independence then simply retaining a profitability by not being as innovative as possible. The tax-payer to wants results beyond the simple needs being met.

Again, the concept of motivation has a better application universally as when force is applied too greatly in one context but not the others things can break. Motivate is a more conflict neutral word but if you want conflict orientation you use force and it does depend on whom you are speaking to. In how I speak conflict by special interest would be ill advised toward my efforts but if I was to out right force aggressively to improve the best interest of others it may have poorer chances to succeed. The more allies the better the chances of success but the more you think the N.T's are the enemy the less chance of alliances including with others diagnosed with autism.

The social and political orchestra of everyday life either plays of value with those that seek participation or is out of tune and then fewer listens. There is very little chance that any group of people not included will be forced to be left out. Yet members of which that create unnecessary friction for that same resolve of inclusion will not be as effective to the collective body of those excluded as of current.

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03 Aug 2011, 10:03 pm

Blast me with a wall of text ci. It is meaningless to me. You sound like any other person who has messed around with me. Stop begging and imitating these NTs that you love so much. Learn to think for yourself and celebrate your autism. Just think, right now you could be helping autistic people respect themselves and earn money. Not just barely get by on charity.



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03 Aug 2011, 10:14 pm

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Blast me with a wall of text ci. It is meaningless to me. You sound like any other person who has messed around with me. Stop begging and imitating these NTs that you love so much. Learn to think for yourself and celebrate your autism. Just think, right now you could be helping autistic people respect themselves and earn money. Not just barely get by on charity.


You would like people who you think are clones of your abilities to simply snap out of the limitation they have and comprise your philosophy because you can push them into it with bullying their self-esteems. Instead of being so self-centered why don't you advocate for yourself instead of demeaning, bullying and attempting to destroy methods you do not choose. For once people such as yourself will be seen for the true discrimination they express and attempt to enact.

Yet your methods instill destructive sides and you yourself are not wealthy from your methods and yet seek to blame me and others. I have a great deal of self-respect and believe you have yet to respect yourself enough to realize your foolish behavior in advocacy. Not everyone needs compassionate premises and whom have autism but when these folks attack the efforts for those that do it is quite unoriginal anymore of the pride agenda and very self-centered and is itself discrimination against the hope of others.

You are very selfish and you will find further misery in it if you do not change your attitude.

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03 Aug 2011, 10:34 pm

You keep calling me self centered. Well for once you got something right. I look after my self, my self image, care for my self, use self defense, I stand up for my self. I will not let others push me around. I try to help but you use the same arguments I made against me. You try to backstab, defame my character, and condescend. Of only you could see yourself down on your knees telling people you are sick and begging for their money while you tell me you have self respect.



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03 Aug 2011, 10:57 pm

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You keep calling me self centered. Well for once you got something right. I look after my self, my self image, care for my self, use self defense, I stand up for my self. I will not let others push me around. I try to help but you use the same arguments I made against me. You try to backstab, defame my character, and condescend. Of only you could see yourself down on your knees telling people you are sick and begging for their money while you tell me you have self respect.


Your insecurity I don't need for myself so quit behaving as if I am you and you can insult me and think I should much mind it. You expect dignity but do not give it. You expect others only agree with you or they oppress you. You have a choice for yourself but not others. If you do not choose compassionate premises in initial inclusion like others do then don't harm the choices of others due to your insecurity of autism which is a disability that needs help to adapt and not a tool of pride to dictate how I and others must think of it or else. You have done nothing but defame the world around you, accuse others of pity and demean individuals who do need help but since you do not choose it you have become either as bad or worse then those who have bullied you. It's a cycle at times the bullied becomes the bully.

The worse kinds of hatred come from your mouth and not at all the majority of N.T's. It's almost as if you behave like your allergic to human compassion with regards to autism. And it's all because you have chosen to make other peoples compassion to help us a conspiracy along with the abortion advocates and at least some other pride advocates who view it strictly as all about them and a form of insult. It's not all about you or other peoples agenda's. It's about having a place in this world and human compassion seems to help do that when it's needed.

The pride advocates that argue like you have lost the war. It's time to be civil. If needed more political confrontation will occur to protect the human rights of others.

Here is a Stanford University lecture on the centrality of compassion.

Bring up self-centeredness, trust, bullying, compassion and all relevant to society.

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03 Aug 2011, 11:14 pm

I ain't lost the war. I'm barely even started yet. You are gonna see what beat loser means by the end. I'm gonna make all NTs beg us for spare change just like you do now. I think you are just in denial. You don't know what you really want yet. I'll show you though. I think that everybody would agree that a beggin NT is the only good NT.



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03 Aug 2011, 11:19 pm

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I ain't lost the war. I'm barely even started yet. You are gonna see what beat loser means by the end. I'm gonna make all NTs beg us for spare change just like you do now. I think you are just in denial. You don't know what you really want yet. I'll show you though. I think that everybody would agree that a beggin NT is the only good NT.


I'm sure.


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03 Aug 2011, 11:24 pm

I had a good laugh when I read the title of this thread.



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03 Aug 2011, 11:30 pm

A philosophy about harming others because of for the most part false beliefs that others are out to get him. It's a dangerous philosophy in which the OP had originally made cyber crime threats. Few take it seriously but I'm thinking the more that believe the hog wash the better chances of a news article coming out with some crime article about some radicle faction of aspies attacking so called N.T's. Someday it may happen and I hope it does not.


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04 Aug 2011, 4:51 am

Ci, write more posts that are the length of the one above. They often say twice as much.



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04 Aug 2011, 9:55 am

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A philosophy about harming others because of for the most part false beliefs that others are out to get him. It's a dangerous philosophy in which the OP had originally made cyber crime threats. Few take it seriously but I'm thinking the more that believe the hog wash the better chances of a news article coming out with some crime article about some radicle faction of aspies attacking so called N.T's. Someday it may happen and I hope it does not.

you are saying the same thing over again. i'm tired of proving my point to you. i think you can probly guess what i was going to say anyway.



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04 Aug 2011, 11:02 am

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ci wrote:
A philosophy about harming others because of for the most part false beliefs that others are out to get him. It's a dangerous philosophy in which the OP had originally made cyber crime threats. Few take it seriously but I'm thinking the more that believe the hog wash the better chances of a news article coming out with some crime article about some radicle faction of aspies attacking so called N.T's. Someday it may happen and I hope it does not.

you are saying the same thing over again. i'm tired of proving my point to you. i think you can probly guess what i was going to say anyway.


When you talk about the same things over and over you get the same kinds of responses. What you would like is for me to agree with you. Your methods are destructive, at times illegal and I personally won't be pushed down your path just because you demean myself and others. Only if my ego was as shallow and weak as you would like for it to be I'd be swayed and pressured.


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05 Aug 2011, 12:32 am

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Neurotypicals by declaring and condemning autistics as mentally ill say that we have no rights to any positions of power. However when we allow neurotypicals to have power over us they ruthlessly persecute us. I say let us autistics dispossess our neurotypical tyrants and allow ourselves the autistics to assume positions of power. I think you will find that when autistics are in power our neurotypical subordinates will try to emulate autistic behavior just as we are forced to emulate neurotypical behavior when we try and hold down jobs.


You do realise a lot of NTs do not even know how to identify someone who has a form of autism, the aren't all psychology experts you know. People get persecuted from deviating from the norm.....having a mental condition=deviant from the norm=persecution from SOME people who strive to fit into that 'normal' catagory. It's not about autism specifically I have not even seen anything that suggests that.


And sorry but I am not going to veiw people without autism as 'lower' than me, that is BS....and like I've already said mimicking the opresser makes the liberated oppressed just as bad.



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05 Aug 2011, 10:56 am

there is no bad or good. it is a question of quality of life and survival.



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05 Aug 2011, 12:27 pm

If autistics adopt a strategy of equality as part of their advocacy then neurotypicals will win by default because what this means is that at best autistics are no better than neurotypicals and at worst we autistics are considered by neurotypicals to be
a bunch of borderline ret*d mentally ill deviants. On the otherhand what autism supremacy recognizes is that autism is another word for genius and this opinion is being backed up by more and more medical professionals.



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