Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

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What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?

That's not lack of vaccinations causing death - that's various diseases causing death. Again, the leading cause of death in your country is iatrogenic; the medical industries and fields and their malpractice and drug reactions. The CDC is run by the same people who run your FDA; the FDA that's approved all manner of noxious substances that are exceptionally toxic to people. Give me a more reliable source thanks. And I'll say it again - you want to stop true child abuse? Get rid of the crap most kids are eating every day. Then you might have a start.

Due to lack of vaccinations.

It tastes really f*****g good though, and is good for you in moderation.

*raises eyebrow*

Are we talking about the same things? The same aspartame, monosodium glutamate, acesulfame potassium, synthetic caffeine, GM xeno-oestrogenic soy, synthetic trans fat, high-sugar, refined crap? And you're saying that's GOOD for you?

...This, my friend, is where I shake my head and realise there's no reasoning with people so ignorant and misinformed. I'm sure you're a lovely guy, and I'm sure you mean well, but, well, yeah. I won't say what I would normally say here as I don't think it'll help anyone.

I said "in moderation".

There's a difference between "in moderation" and "going all out".

No, those things are NEVER good for you. In moderation you could probably get away with it for a decade or two, until the effects have accumulated enough and the damage sets in, by which stage it's too late.

Oh honestly!!

BS! You ARE a carrier because as Lau has already pointed out you don't understand how vaccines work! The rest of that comment bears that out.



Blame the advertisers for most of that, not the parents! AND the lack of sporting activity that is able to compete with computer games and the Internet (ie we're going into obesity issues here). Make those changes and you won't have that problem.



Oho! Here we go with the stats! Guess what - it's taken over NOT because the numbers of deaths has gone up. It's taken over because deaths from heart disease has DROPPED!!



Yep - and refusing to vaccinate your kids is child abuse, or rather child neglect.



The ONLY thing that has such an effect over time is smoking.

The facts are against you, LeKiwi. All the way and without exception.

I'll go for science as a reliable source, thanks. We gave up magic awhile back. You have yet to define what all those "noxious" substances in the "bad" injections are. We're talking about all people affected by lack of vaccination, not the leading cause of death, yet you turn the argument into one of "child abuse."
You should skip the "journalist" job and go straight for politician. You never answer a question directly, ignore facts, lay blame and misdirect to change the topic.

Last edited by YowlingCat on 20 Mar 2008, 5:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

A hit! A very palpable hit!

YowlingCat, if you look back to the first page or two I posted a link to the CDC site's PDF of the contents of all vaccines on the childhood immunisation schedule in the US.

The worst on the lists are:
Aluminium
Formeldehyde
Thimerosal (not saying that causes autism; just that it's toxic and should be avoided regardless)
Glutamate and MSG
Soy
Egg proteins et al
Aborted fetal tissues
Monkey kidney tissue
Bovine tissues
Chicken tissues

From memory there are others.




EDIT: Was still in my history - http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

You do realize that you are every bit as passionate about your areas of focus as are the others who believe you are dangerous by failing to vaccinate?

It is an Aspie thing to sort things into black and white, as many of you have pointed out. I do enjoy seeing the passion you all can display.

I hope you can all agree that your opinions are each the sum of your own experiences, insight, research and - yes, possibly - obsessions, and move on.

I think you are all right. The fake foods are bad, failing to vaccinate is bad. To a point. In my life, everything is a trade off, and all risks need to be measured against reasonable probabilities, and imperfect decisions made. I live with that.

If you read the document that you provide the link for, you would se that it starts by saying:

So... what is your list all about, again?

You seem to have picked a few items out of the hundred listed in the document. Some you appear to have invented (viz "Aborted fetal tissues", where the word "Aborted" never appears, although both "Fetal Bovine Serum" and "Rhesus Fetal Lung Tissue" are mentioned).

FUD.

Ut, oh, Lau, do I just do that "you guys are great but my way is better" thing?

If so, many apologies. It isn't what I meant.

I can never be sure how things I say will come across to you all. It is a learning process, and one must certainly worth investing in.

I know.

I don't think any of these people are bad - wrong, perhaps, but that's only my opinion I've reached from my own studies and insights; we don't all come to the same conclusion - and it's just life that we disagree on certain issues. Vaccination is one that, by its very nature, is going to stir a lot of emotions in a lot of people. I just wish they'd respect my decisions and that they're what I've come to through many hours of research and reading and talking to various people in the field. To me, that's all it comes down to - we may not agree, but surely we can give each other a bit of respect and understand that we know what we're doing and can make these sorts of decisions for ourselves in our own lives.

Any decision that can and will have an effect on others in a major and negative way can NOT be respected.

Your attitude towards vaccinations is comparable to a smoker not respecting an athsmatic (sp?) to the point of actually blowing smoke into their face and not caring about the consequences.