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24 Apr 2008, 4:14 am

In my case, I am part of the Church of God (Anderson, Indiana), which is a Holiness movement church, similar to the Wesley and Methodist churches. I believe in God and I am more spirital than religious.


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24 Apr 2008, 9:19 am

tlcoopi7 wrote:
In my case, I am part of the Church of God (Anderson, Indiana), which is a Holiness movement church, similar to the Wesley and Methodist churches. I believe in God and I am more spirital than religious.


I was nominally Methodist as a child, before abandoning the Church. Right now I'm not sure if my Grandmother still goes to the Methodist Church, or has gone back to her Baptist roots.



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24 Apr 2008, 11:18 am

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, I am not saying you or anyone else cannot criticize religion.
Of course faith cannot be proved. It is by faith alone. Intuition and hunches cannot be proved either. And my dear old grandmother is going to believe what she wants. She does not give a flying **** if God has morphed into Darwin himself. She will believe what she has always believed and this gives her great comfort, and for me to tell her otherwise is just a waste of time. I respect her and her beliefs. I am not going to tell people what they can and cannot think, no matter how reasonable and logical and falsifiable it is.

I was similar to you in your zealousness when I was younger, but as I have aged, I realize that some people do not want to be convinced by reason. If it means anything, I share your views when it comes to religion. I just no longer try to convince some people to the contrary. It ain't worth it.


Now I really don't get the point of your apparent irritation. This is the internet and people have the option of taking part in this discussion or not, as they choose. No one in this thread is going into someone else's home or church to harass them.


Umm... I don't sense any irritation in him. I think he's just trying to say he holds the same views and used to be zealous, but realized arguing the issue with some people wasn't worth the trouble.

As far as Abraham goes, the guy came from a somewhat barbaric culture. People were killed for all sorts of offenses in the bible.

I don't always know why, but part of me figures that this sort of thing probably happened because no one had the ability to understand any other form of justice.


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24 Apr 2008, 4:31 pm

you want to know the religious polical mix in the US. Well we did have sepration of church and state but its slowy desolving as fundlementalist pentecostal or evengelical are infiltrating the governing bodies and peddleing the bull like intelligent design because if their is a god aspergers syndrome must be some sick joke on his part, that and the no funding of stem cell research or always trying to derail gay marriage and abortion. In my opinion if you find these acts immoral welll good for you then don't partake in them but don't stop us supposed sinners from having fun its our right as atheist or what ever belife you have. So where do these people get off forcing their belife on us because we now nothing good results of therocracy. Just look at the middle ages if you want proof.


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24 Apr 2008, 5:44 pm

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you want to know the religious polical mix in the US. Well we did have sepration of church and state but its slowy desolving as fundlementalist pentecostal or evengelical are infiltrating the governing bodies and peddleing the bull like intelligent design because if their is a god aspergers syndrome must be some sick joke on his part, that and the no funding of stem cell research or always trying to derail gay marriage and abortion. In my opinion if you find these acts immoral welll good for you then don't partake in them but don't stop us supposed sinners from having fun its our right as atheist or what ever belife you have. So where do these people get off forcing their belife on us because we now nothing good results of therocracy. Just look at the middle ages if you want proof.


How would you correct this? Would you make a law preventing people from considering their religious views in relation to their politics? Would you make a law that anyone with the title of Reverend or Pastor can't vote or comment on the state of the country or the direction of the country? Is it wrong for the 700 club to comment on politics? Is it wrong for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to do so? Would we have a better country if we shut out those awful Christians from having a say in the politics of the US?

Finally, if you wanted to use the laws to keep Christians from expressing themselves politically would that make you a bigot?



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I'm an atheist and I think ASD can be genetic. I inherited the traits from my Dad's side of the family. I'm not sure about my mother's side. I can remember my mother saying her sister Sue might have had it so there you go. I think her daughter probably has it too but I'm not sure.
I still celebrate Christmas and play Christmas music, I still do Easter but I don't see it as celebrating Jesus Christ.



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24 Apr 2008, 8:31 pm

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you want to know the religious polical mix in the US. Well we did have sepration of church and state but its slowy desolving as fundlementalist pentecostal or evengelical are infiltrating the governing bodies and peddleing the bull like intelligent design because if their is a god aspergers syndrome must be some sick joke on his part, that and the no funding of stem cell research or always trying to derail gay marriage and abortion. In my opinion if you find these acts immoral welll good for you then don't partake in them but don't stop us supposed sinners from having fun its our right as atheist or what ever belife you have. So where do these people get off forcing their belife on us because we now nothing good results of therocracy. Just look at the middle ages if you want proof.


How would you correct this? Would you make a law preventing people from considering their religious views in relation to their politics? Would you make a law that anyone with the title of Reverend or Pastor can't vote or comment on the state of the country or the direction of the country? Is it wrong for the 700 club to comment on politics? Is it wrong for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to do so? Would we have a better country if we shut out those awful Christians from having a say in the politics of the US?

Finally, if you wanted to use the laws to keep Christians from expressing themselves politically would that make you a bigot?


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These are really interesting questions, Velodog. We do not have this problem in Canada. What happens in the US with these issues? Very complex.

This forum is getting very interesting! Good. I will be watching.


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24 Apr 2008, 9:13 pm

satresue, functionally nobody at this point has tried to disenfranchise Christian voters. There are some major things that get my goat when the arguments that Maxrebo brought up come into play.

These are:

1) If someone like Pat Robertson throws his 2 cents into a political discussion, then "we MUST have separation of church and state" is immediately stated.

2) If the REVEREND Jesse Jackson or the REVEREND Al Sharpton comment on politics, the people who are so quick to demand separation of church and state in the example noted above don't seem to have a problem. It all seems to depend on who's ox is being gored. Likewise a Democratic Candidate actively campaigning in a Black church does not appear to be a violation of separation doctrine.

3) Most important to me, is that I believe in the Constitution, and the 1st Amendment rights of Christians to vote their conscience. And I reserve the right to tweak their Christian tails. :D



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24 Apr 2008, 9:39 pm

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satresue, functionally nobody at this point has tried to disenfranchise Christian voters. There are some major things that get my goat when the arguments that Maxrebo brought up come into play.

These are:

1) If someone like Pat Robertson throws his 2 cents into a political discussion, then "we MUST have separation of church and state" is immediately stated.

2) If the REVEREND Jesse Jackson or the REVEREND Al Sharpton comment on politics, the people who are so quick to demand separation of church and state in the example noted above don't seem to have a problem. It all seems to depend on who's ox is being gored. Likewise a Democratic Candidate actively campaigning in a Black church does not appear to be a violation of separation doctrine.

3) Most important to me, is that I believe in the Constitution, and the 1st Amendment rights of Christians to vote their conscience. And I reserve the right to tweak their Christian tails. :D


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In Canada we have separation of Church and State. There are no openly religious candidates. This is not to say they cannot have religious views, but it cannot trump party politics. It is more by the book. We have a completely different system here, and it works for us.

I can see there must be some very lively debates in the States, where there are many different opinions. I suppose it works for your country.


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24 Apr 2008, 9:47 pm

satresue, I used to get Smithsonian Magazine back in the 1980s. I recall an article about Political campaigns of the 1800s. It seems that they were considerably meaner, much more hardcore than now. With riots sometimes happening between supporters of different candidates. Of course the BBC show Prime Ministers Questions has some pretty good back and forth on it.



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24 Apr 2008, 9:58 pm

velodog wrote:
satresue, functionally nobody at this point has tried to disenfranchise Christian voters. There are some major things that get my goat when the arguments that Maxrebo brought up come into play.

These are:

1) If someone like Pat Robertson throws his 2 cents into a political discussion, then "we MUST have separation of church and state" is immediately stated.

2) If the REVEREND Jesse Jackson or the REVEREND Al Sharpton comment on politics, the people who are so quick to demand separation of church and state in the example noted above don't seem to have a problem. It all seems to depend on who's ox is being gored. Likewise a Democratic Candidate actively campaigning in a Black church does not appear to be a violation of separation doctrine.

3) Most important to me, is that I believe in the Constitution, and the 1st Amendment rights of Christians to vote their conscience. And I reserve the right to tweak their Christian tails. :D


The speeches aren't the problem, it's the politics behind them. I believe you have the perfect right to live your life according to your morals as I have the right to live according to mine- But your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, if you catch my drift.



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24 Apr 2008, 10:19 pm

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satresue, functionally nobody at this point has tried to disenfranchise Christian voters. There are some major things that get my goat when the arguments that Maxrebo brought up come into play.

These are:

1) If someone like Pat Robertson throws his 2 cents into a political discussion, then "we MUST have separation of church and state" is immediately stated.

2) If the REVEREND Jesse Jackson or the REVEREND Al Sharpton comment on politics, the people who are so quick to demand separation of church and state in the example noted above don't seem to have a problem. It all seems to depend on who's ox is being gored. Likewise a Democratic Candidate actively campaigning in a Black church does not appear to be a violation of separation doctrine.

3) Most important to me, is that I believe in the Constitution, and the 1st Amendment rights of Christians to vote their conscience. And I reserve the right to tweak their Christian tails. :D


The speeches aren't the problem, it's the politics behind them. I believe you have the perfect right to live your life according to your morals as I have the right to live according to mine- But your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, if you catch my drift.


If you don't like the politics behind something, don't support it. If you don't like a point I made feel free to pick it apart.



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25 Apr 2008, 11:48 am

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If you don't like the politics behind something, don't support it. If you don't like a point I made feel free to pick it apart.


Perhaps you could provide more details as to when you think Pat Robertson was treated unfairly. An apples vs apples situation rather than the broad statement that he's always treated unfairly.

The only recent memory I have of Pat Robertson experiencing negative press is when he said that the US should assassinate Hugo Chavez. I know he later apologized/clarified his remark (see http://www.patrobertson.com/pressreleases/hugochavez.asp), but I can't recall any concerted effort to suppress him.

I think he and Al Sharpton are both receiving positive reviews for their recent commerical where they both talk about preserving the environment.



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28 Apr 2008, 12:55 pm

I am an Atheist, the mere idea of a god that does everything without logic just did not make sense. I mean God can not create himself, and yet people say that ever since the beginning of time God was there, but time is only a concept. Something else had to create that God for it to exist, other wise I will be able to be born without a mother or father or test tube for that matter!



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28 Apr 2008, 3:03 pm

t0 wrote:
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If you don't like the politics behind something, don't support it. If you don't like a point I made feel free to pick it apart.


Perhaps you could provide more details as to when you think Pat Robertson was treated unfairly. An apples vs apples situation rather than the broad statement that he's always treated unfairly.

The only recent memory I have of Pat Robertson experiencing negative press is when he said that the US should assassinate Hugo Chavez. I know he later apologized/clarified his remark (see http://www.patrobertson.com/pressreleases/hugochavez.asp), but I can't recall any concerted effort to suppress him.

I think he and Al Sharpton are both receiving positive reviews for their recent commerical where they both talk about preserving the environment.


t0, please refer to Maxrebo's post above yours. That is by no means a one of a kind post. It's fairly common for people who support abortion or gay marriage to make statements like that but find no offense when Democrats actively campaign in Black churches. It does all depend on who's ox is being gored. At this point I will leave this statement as either self evident, or not. I did not use the term unfair, because life is not fair. I support Christians right to use their own conscience in making political decisions. I am done at this point defending Christians 1st Amendment rights. I am atheist and I don't buy into Robertsons Israel first BS.



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