I AM CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH AUTISM SPEAKS

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23 Sep 2011, 10:06 am

Bye bye guys.

I can't read these threads anymore.

Those who have attacked me and stuck up for me can continue to do so behind my back.

I'm not going to lose sleep over this anymore.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:09 am

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Er, all I see at worse is harsh criticism. The kind that you'll see in extremely heated politics. Bullying? Please, if that's bullying someone needs to lurk moar on the internet srsly.

Not him, other people. Do you need me to link where people made bullying statements towards Tambourine? Also just because something happens on the internet it doesn't change the definition of bullying. Or do you mean bullying as defined by rapacious trolls? I guess that would be the sort of definition made by someone telling me to 'lurk moar'.

>>Implying I'm troll. Not that I've ever denied it though. Besides if one can't handle aggressive detractors they're not cut out for the world of PR.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:10 am

Nexus wrote:

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It is ok. It got ugly. When they started bullying my kid sister, who was hurt and stood up for me, it was the last straw.

Your sister wasn't bullied - she posted something unpleasant and was taken to task for it.

Exactly she got called out for sprouting what appeared to be propaganda.

Link me, otherwise using the word propganda is a slur if you can't prove it.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23241&pid=454115#pid454115

It sounds like a sales pitch.

And please, if that's not propaganda, BP was genuinely honest in their ad campaign regarding the gulf oil spill. :lol:

Yeah, association fallacy with the bp thing there. Aint going to work. Anyways reading through it I can see that the girl has wholeheartedly thrown herself behind what Autism Speaks said. This is bad. To accuse her of propaganda though without proof isn't just bad though, it's also slander. And if you don't like me saying it isn't propaganda then maybe you should tell me conclusively how you know her intentions or that she is acting as a proxy? You don't, I don't. Nobody does. keep that propaganda attack to yourself.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:14 am

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My sister and girlfriend joined, at my insistence, because I was hoping they might come to better understand autism.

Then WHAT ON EARTH did the three of you imagine you were doing instructing others on how to understand things they have been understanding perfectly well without your "help" for years?

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23 Sep 2011, 10:16 am

Gedrene wrote:

Nexus wrote:

Gedrene wrote:

Nexus wrote:

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Tambourine-Man wrote:

It is ok. It got ugly. When they started bullying my kid sister, who was hurt and stood up for me, it was the last straw.

Your sister wasn't bullied - she posted something unpleasant and was taken to task for it.

Exactly she got called out for sprouting what appeared to be propaganda.

Link me, otherwise using the word propganda is a slur if you can't prove it.

And I find it rather strange you're taking it so personally. You almost sound like I called you out for it.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:18 am

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My sister and girlfriend joined, at my insistence, because I was hoping they might come to better understand autism.

Then WHAT ON EARTH did the three of you imagine you were doing instructing others on how to understand things they have been understanding perfectly well without your "help" for years?

Oh wow, he wasn't telling anyone about how autism worked at all. In fact that's something I did and to be honest I doubt that autism as it is explained right now is perfect. Many 'autistics' have done this themselves. You tried to reinterpret the borders of autism when you said your repellance to the geographical similarity of other people was autism. You said yourself that anything you couldn't 'deal with' was autism. And I have the PMs to prove this. You're just telling tambourine man that he can't do something (which by the way he hasn't done) which you do yourself again.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:26 am

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I spent several hours at AFF yesterday in order to read through your threads - nearly all of them - in their entirety.

Before doing so, I regarded you as a young guy who was way too full of himself, who wanted to get ahead, and who was willing to take the risk of engaging with Autism Speaks to do so - naive, surely.

What I found, in reading hundreds of posts, is a guy who is willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead, regardless of who is hurt. In particular, you are eager to pit one autist community against another, stroke egos obscenely, and try to position yourself as the liaison between autists and Autism Speaks.

On arriving at AFF, you began a campaign for the redesign of their site, in particular repeatedly asking for space on the front page for articles. You then aggresively looked for every opportunity you could to insinuate yourself and your articles into the site.

Nearly every post you made was about you.

The "cheering section" comments that some have misunderstood have to do with your having recruited at least two women in your life to engage on your behalf on AFF. It did not go well and you grossly exaggerated the appropriate responses of people at AFF. Now you whine about it here.

You are entirely self serving and don't give a damn what happens to the rest of us as long as you get what you want.

Shame on you.

That is exactly what I saw for myself yesterday...I had been scanning some of the threads at AFF prior to that, but not reading closely...

What I saw yesterday made my blood run cold.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:33 am

There is one thing absolutely everyone has forgotten, and that is the HUGE breach of internet etiquette involved in critiquing the decisions of the Admins and posters of another forum.

If anyone has a problem with the decisions made by AFF posters and Admins they should make those complaints on AFF.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:35 am

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That is exactly what I saw for myself yesterday...I had been scanning some of the threads at AFF prior to that, but not reading closely...

What I saw yesterday made my blood run cold.

Yes hundreds of posts, of course. Reporting proof isn't proof AlanTuring. Give us the proof. Link us. otherwise what was said was empty air.

How do you pit one autism community against another for a start? Or is that sort of vagueness the furthest you can get without being exposed?
To be honest AlanTuring I want to know as well whether the nasty comments you made against Tambourine-man were actually nasty. I want tambourine man to link me to these comments where you were nasty before I say anything more on your conduct. As for you Zeraeph that's a tired, old one from you. Saying that something was creepy or scary without giving any explanation whatsoever as to why.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:36 am

Zeraeph wrote:

AlanTuring wrote:

That is exactly what I saw for myself yesterday...I had been scanning some of the threads at AFF prior to that, but not reading closely...

What I saw yesterday made my blood run cold.

I'd be grateful if either of you would post some outstanding "for example" links.
Thanks.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:45 am

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I'd be grateful if either of you would post some outstanding "for example" links.
Thanks.

It is the cumulative effect of reading Tamborine-Man's posts on AFF - no small set of links could come close to letting you see what this guy is really up to.

If you want to pursue it, go to AFF, go to the forums, choose the General forum, and start reading threads started by tambourine-man.

I'm sorry there doesn't seem to be a short path to understanding what is going on. I've now read nearly all of the posts he's written on both Wrong Planet and AFF. Only by doing so was I able to get my head around what he wants, how he is going about getting it, and what he is willing to do to get it.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:50 am

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If you want to pursue it, go to AFF, go to the forums, choose the General forum, and start reading threads started by tambourine-man.

Ok, thanks.
I thought I'd already read a fairly representative sampling but I'll dig a little deeper.

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23 Sep 2011, 10:53 am

AlanTuring wrote:

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I'd be grateful if either of you would post some outstanding "for example" links.
Thanks.

ci told me to do the same thing and it's as fallacious now as it ever was. Reporting proof isn't proof AlanTuring. I don't know what's happened but if you want to make a charge of someone else you provide the proof.

AlanTuring wrote:

I'm sorry there doesn't seem to be a short path to understanding what is going on. I've now read nearly all of the posts he's written on both Wrong Planet and AFF. Only by doing so was I able to get my head around what he wants, how he is going about getting it, and what he is willing to do to get it.

That isn't a good enough excuse either. You can provide the posts that show what he wants and this prove to us two that Tambourine-man is not to be trusted and you can give the links. You don't need to read hundreds of posts to find out what someone is like or to prove the point you are making. you need probably seven at most, three at the least if I were to give a general idea.

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23 Sep 2011, 11:00 am

Gedrene wrote:

AlanTuring wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

I'd be grateful if either of you would post some outstanding "for example" links.
Thanks.

AlanTuring wrote:

I may spend a few more hours going through TamMan's posts on AFF to find some examples. It will have to wait a while, however - I've got to do something to get that guy out of my thoughts for a while.

If I do, I'll be doing it for Cornflake's benefit, and that of other readers.

I have had it with you, however - I will not spend any time attempting to satisfy your demands.

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23 Sep 2011, 11:07 am

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I have had it with you, however - I will not spend any time attempting to satisfy your demands.

Satisfying my demands? I hope you understand that Cornflake has asked for exactly the same thing as I did and to be honest why wouldn't you prove your statements? You were doing exactly the same thing as ci, reporting proof and not actually giving proof. You didn't accept it when ci did it so don't you try and make this out that I am creating some special demand when I ask you to do the same thing yourself.

You aren't special you know, so you can't tell me to do to you what we both do with other people.

If people want to stamp their feet on the floor any more because I wont stop replying how they say doesn't make sense then they should learn to deal with it rather than whinge.

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23 Sep 2011, 11:13 am

Gedrene wrote:

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I have had it with you, however - I will not spend any time attempting to satisfy your demands.

Nonsense.

I'll go back through tambourine-man's posts on AFF when I can stomach it again. Right now, I've had far too much of him - dozens of hours in the past few weeks.

My comment to you was apparently too subtle. I've tired of your constant attacks on Zeraeph and others, especially since they appear to be without cause.

I respect Cornflake and take his requests seriously.

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