Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

Post Reply New Topic

I did read your whole post. Even your "quote". However, I also read the original PDF file, instead of your modified extracts. You did exactly what I said. You edited out the asterisks that connected to the footnote. You then added the footnote as if it applied only to some unspecified selection of vaccines, as opposed to the multidose packaging.

That, to my mind, is a blatant attempt to mislead. If you can give some alternative explanation for why you edited off the asterisks, please do so.

Yes, it makes considerable sense. Like me wanting to be a stock broker. Against all odds and a wierd sense of discalcula (is that the right name?), I really knew that this was what I wanted to be. It was probably the most difficult and frustrating thing I ever learned to do, but I did it. Funny thing... now that I'm out of that field, I hated it and realize that the real reason I pursued it as long as I did was because somebody at the beginning said I would never be able to do it.

I think the key for you is to be sure that when you're pushing him, that you're truly supporting him and not trying to make him be or do something he can't and sometimes, when he discovers that he can't really do it this way, (not referring specifically to this), that you are there to help him pick himself up with enough self-esteem to have the same desire to learn to do it the easy way (for him)... If that makes sense.

But we digress.... We should perhaps have this convo on the parenting board?

Did you really miss me?

So funny about the stock broker thing. That is totally me, stubbornly refusing to accept that there is anything I can't do.

It is a little different with my son. He has played with becoming a writer. He invents these whole worlds and amazing stories, even outlines for whole series of books. He would also like to be an inventor, probably of gadgets, and is constantly inventing games, going so far as to create paper prototypes he can beta test on his "groupies" (my term) at daycare. He may end up merging all those interests, or doing something else.

I would carry this conversation on at parenting, but please don't tempt me right now! I'm supposed to be working, and the more threads I can lose interest in, the better! After April 15 I can talk more.

As for missing you ... well, I was aware that you were not posting (forgot about the trip) and was happy to see your screen name at the end of the thread today, and opened the thread just to see what you posted. So, yes, I would say I missed you. Enjoy the popularity!

I look forward to talking more then, after April 15.

That wasn't my intention; sorry if there was any confusion - I was trying to make it slightly easier to work through. Multidose packaging or not, it's still given to children in more than just two or three vaccines as whoever it is a few pages back alleged, and that's what I was trying to get across, rather than the specific vaccines (as they aren't particularly relevent to the point).




Pepperfire - Just had to say, you were a stockbroker with discalcula?! Big respect... I can't do maths to save my life, I think I would've jumped out a window from sheer frustration. But perhaps that drive to succeed when others say you'll fail is just another aspie quality to be proud of.

You are doing it all again...

"sorry if there was any confusion" = you thought you could confuse me into not noticing what you had done?

"make it slightly easier to work through" = make it read the way you wanted.

"Multidose packaging or not" = you are trying to suggest that all the doses in one multidose package are injected into ONE person?

"it's still given to children" = what do you think we should do - just accept high infant mortality and only vaccinate adults?

"it's still given to children in more than just two or three vaccines" = you have decided this? I don't think rabies vaccine is routinely given to children, which is one of the three vaccines in the list that specifies single dose "Thimerosal" without an asterisk. For your information, they are:

• Influenza (Flulaval). A disagreement here: one source says 25 µg Thimerosal per dose, another says 25 mcg mercury. As Thimerosal is only 49% mercury by weight, these figures are completely contradictory.
  Anyway, if you don't like Thimerosal, there are four other flu vaccines, should you wish to be picky.
• Japanese Encephalitis (JE-Vax). Discontinued last September?
  I calculated about 7µg Thimerosal per dose, but I wouldn't swear to that.
  Who should receive the vaccine?
  JE-VAX™ should be used to protect those people who may be at high risk of infection with Japanese encephalitis virus. This includes those who stay for a month or longer at certain times of the year in parts of Asia where the infection rates are high. It may be appropriate in some cases to receive the vaccine if staying for less than a month and living outdoors in rural areas.
• Rabies (Biorab). Again, you have a choice here. I couldn't find a per dose figure for this, offhand.

"rather than the specific vaccines (as they aren't particularly relevent to the point)" = more cherry-picking. If reliable data doesn't say what you want it to, you edit out the "irrelevant" bits.

What will you say next? Do you have ANY supportive evidence of anything you talk about?

You are still a danger to others as a result of your refusal to accept that vaccines work. They vastly reduce the risks, provided enough people are unselfish. You, clearly, want to have other people's cake and eat it.

I was pointing out that there are more than three vaccines still containing thimerosal, as was alleged - by my count there were about twelve (or whatever the number was I mentioned in that post). In the point I was making the vaccines themselves were irrelevent - it was a number more than three and they are all vaccines and they contain thimerosal. I also mentioned the asterisked ones in the paragraph at the end. If people wanted to look at the full table and data then the link was there at the top, and mentioned a number of times previously, so they could do so - in fact, I would encourage everyone to do so.

As for only vaccinating adults... well, that could be a start. Or at the very least not give 22 vaccines or whatever number the US is up to to under two-year-olds - at least wait till they're old enough to have a developed immune system!!

I still fail to see how I'm a risk to the world.

Vac in a box topic

I cannot find my old post regarding the rabies vaccine, but I do want to remind those who are against vaccines that if I had a choice between vaccinating my child after being bitten by a potentially rabid bat I would get my child vaccinated as soon as possible, thimerosal or not. I would rather have a live autistic child(which all my vaccinated children are not) than a dead, rabid, two year old.

You have had it explained to you many times.

By leaving your family unprotected and encouraging others to do the same, selfish thing, you will be more liable to infection.

Once infected you will spread the disease, well before you are aware you are infected.

Those who vaccinate have merely of the order of a 90% chance to resist your contagion.

Those who are unvaccinated are at far higher risk.

If most are vaccinated, there is a good chance that an infection will only affect you, which I respect fully as your right - to become ill, should that be your desire.

However, you will be exposing the unselfish people who did vaccinate, and those who are unfortunate enough to have a real reason for not being vaccinated, as opposed to your self-centred, ill-informed and intransigent "Oh! I don't like them!" excuse.

You increase your own risks, and also by carrying the disease, everyone else's risks.

Especially, as was pointed out earlier, you increase the risks to children who have not yet been vaccinated. You really must want pandemics back - why?

I fail to understand what you find difficult in the concepts. Less protection, disease spreads, pandemic, deaths. That's your wish.

No, my wish is not to vaccinate, so therefore I won't. I've read your arguments for it, and understand where you're coming from and the reasoning behind it. But as I've said before, the theory may be fine, but the execution doesn't quite live up to the hype, so to speak. I've also explained why I have come to these conclusions, so I'm not going to go into it again - this is starting to get a bit like being on a verbal roundabout.

I also don't believe everyone should be forced to vaccinate, purely because I cannot ever condone mass-medication of any sort. But that's another story, and not related to my reasons behind not vaccinating.

So the bottom line is, I won't vaccinate.

Perhaps if my child was bitten by a rabid dog and there was an extremely high chance of them contracting rabies I would consider some kind of medication, but what's the point of vaccinating if they've already got it? Surely you'd be more inclined to give something that would stop the infection developing, rather than preventing it in the first place if they already (probably) have it? If a vaccination had a very high chance of preventing a probable rabies infection then yeah, sure... but they'd have to be pretty extenuating circumstances with no other as-effective treatment available (as there often are).

Unless you have a legit reason not to vaccinate (you sure as hell don't), you should be arrested.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. The theory is sound. The practice has been shown to work. What does "execution" mean? Where does "hype" come into it? The only hype I've seen is you pretending that you are not culpable for exposing others to increased risks.


No. You have never given any sound basis for why you,in the fact of evidence, have come to a irrational conclusion.


It is only a verbal roundabout because you refuse to accept that you expose others to increased risks. The moment you show that you understand why the majority of informed people find your attitude reprehensible, you can step off this carousel.


More bluster. Where did anyone say "forced to vaccinate"? You can continue to be selfish, and not vaccinate. Just don't come near me, or anyone else who understands medicine.


And you are a threat.


You really don't bother, do you. "post-exposure prophylaxis".

Call me what you like - threat, danger, whatever - I'm not going to vaccinate. Simple.


I can't but think that a few hundred years ago you'd all be chasing me out of town with pitchforks and flaming torches chanting 'witch! witch!'.

Well, do what you like, but bear in mind that if your child gets mumps, whooping cough, hepatitis, etc., it can kill them. Without a current immunization card, you can't put them in school - at least not in the U.S. That's fine if you homeschool them, but then what happens if they get sick? Some of the diseases that we vaccinate kids for can lead to pemanent disabilities like blindess, deafness (or both), as well as sterility. In some U.S. states, if your child gets sick from a disease they should have been immunized for, you can be charged with 'Failure to protect,' a charge similar to what happens to mothers who choose to remain living with a physically abusive spouse. They can take your kids away over that. Not to mention, what will happen between you and your children if they end up with a disability like blindness or crippled by polio, something that you could have prevented by getting them immunized? I can imagine that thye wouldn't be very happy about it once they were old enough to realize what happened. Think long-term.

Thanks. Calculators are wonderful things. I'm glad I'm not doing it anymore. I don't have much respect for many of my ex-colleagues.

I am not calling you names... this is not a slanging match. This is an attempt to explain to you some basic science. If you read a little more fact, from reliable sources, instead of fictions, from scaremongers, maybe you could understand more.


I'm afraid you have the roles rather reversed. The "witches" you refer to are the ones who bothered to learn what worked and what didn't. They were part of the foundation of medicine. Now, interestingly, the majority do understand basic medicine. I believe it to be you who is threatening everyone, by waving your hands in the air, shouting and trying to make others follow you blindly.

Vaccines work. You ignore that and, by doing so, threaten the heath of those who sensibly use them.