I AM CONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH AUTISM SPEAKS

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All opinion aside I am ABSOLUTELY IN AWE of the work you put into this...and that is something, usually, NOBODY bothers to say...thank you.

That being said, I have seen enough to convince me that John Scotty Holman is, not only completely out of line in the immediate sense, but also exceptionally bad news in a longer term, more general way, and if you check back here, (which I don't recommend, after that marathon you would probably go blind...or at any rate cross-eyed! ) you will see that comes from a position where, even as an anti Autism Industry hardliner, I was originally prepared to stand up for him as an immature misguided and well meaning kid,, and concerned in case he was a bit too brittle for some of the "reception committees" setting up elsewhere just for him (they KNOW WHO I MEAN!).

The only thing that changed my mind were his own chosen words and actions, and I have no doubt whatsoever that time (and not even necessarily very much of it) will prove my conclusions for me.

My only concern now is with damage limitation.

please do not respond to this post any longer.if needed a real moderator can physicaly lock it

Aghogday, I don't agree with much of what you say at all. But I can understand you now, when this is the sort of crap that is thrown at people who simply put up an interview with autism speaks. It's hard to think straight when there's a banshee screaming at you all the time.

What? There is no proof for anything at all. There's no reason why he's bad news, no reason why he's out of line. If anything all of the people who have accused him of anything were out line, especially for all of the lying they accused him of and all of their bullying remarks. Out of line just sounds like a personal issue here, because there is no proof whatsoever that Tambourine_man did anything wrong. Not a single byte from ages has shown that Tambourine_man means any harm at all and yet there is some hearking back to something you 'have seen', none of which you show.



Although Tambourine_man was only saying that we should open dialogue with other people. Any other interpretation is made out of thin air. And this isn't a game of politics. Saying that just because you helped him in the past doesn't justify anything you said later. All actions are judged on their own merits, no matter the person.


As Cornflake showed there is no proof whatsoever that Tambourin_man did anything wrong. In the end all the accusations were vacuous and based on a single premise: Autism Speaks is evil, all who associate with it in any way, even when inocuous, must be destroyed.


There is no damage caused by Tambourine_man. Instead he expects apologies from people who bullied him, said he was a liar and said that everything that was done to him was justified because in the end there's no fooling that Tambourine_man just got caught in a whirlwind of unreflective hatred.

I utterly disagree with Gedrene's statements, but will comply with vermontsavant's request and say nothing further at this time regarding Tambourine-Man.

Gedrene,

I am now formally requesting that you stop derailing every thread you see me participate by using them in as an excuse to attack me, and find another hobby.

If you really cannot live without attacking me I suggest you send future attacks by pm where I can ignore them and they do not disrupt discussion threads.

For which you have no reason to disagree because I am simply justifying why no one has a reason to have ever attacked Tambourine_man at all with such vicious vindictive.

Zeraeph, why don't you stop making accusations that I have some sort of personal problem with you? I was criticizing the faults of your arguments as I did with anyone else on this forum. You're not up for any sort of special treatment, it's just that this time you're saying most of the unjustified things. This sort of blank attempt and being frank doesn't excuse you from the fact that you tried to squeeze in a condemnation of Tambourine_man even after it has become hilariously clear that at no time he has played lip service to anyone like you claimed, that he was not at all bad like you claimed and that he was not dangerous at all, like you claimed.


Maybe you should stop insinuating that I am focusing on you. Because if the ratio of post to reply is to be believed I'd say that you'd also have to condemn me of having a fixation with half of the people who have been on this forum in the last six months, and gosh knows you only somehow seem to notice that I have some 'fixation' when it is you that I am criticizing, and not ci, for the replies I made to him far outnumber those made to you. Compared to the posts I made to ci this is peanuts. And nonetheless it doesn't deflect from the fact that all I ever did was said you should justify why you attacked Tambourine_man, and lo and behold Cornflake showed that you couldn't.

If you cannot take reasonable criticism then you shouldn't post on here at all because no one is allowed to make any sort of veiled threat. Not long ago you told Aghogday off for using your name, yet you have been splashing around Tambourine_man's real name like no tomorrow. That isn't suspect.

Only after it has been exposed that tambourine_man did nothing wrong does it appear that people attempt to talk straight, or with some kind of modesty or restraint. No more 'complete rubbish' or condescending video links.

As for all these accusations now levelled against me I think now would be a good time to quote Socrates from Plato's Apology:
What you, men of Athens, have learned from my accusers, I do not know: but I, for my part, nearly forgot who I was thanks to them, since they spoke so persuasively. And yet, of the truth, they have spoken, one might say, nothing at all.

i didnt say you couldnt talk about him,just not PERSONAL ATTACKS.feel free to make as many POLITE critizism of his political view points as you like

Well, that's funny!

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that you had said I wasn't to post about Tambourine-Man at all.

You did ask that none of us make any personal attacks on him.

What I have to say regarding him, however, would be construed by some as personal attacks.

I am fully capable of playing with language enough to communicate my feelings without violating the letter of your instructions, but I will refrain from doing so out of respect for the spirit of your instructions.

The line between honesty and personal attack in this situation is very, very thin.

im sorry if i gave an impression you did anything wrong at all.i didnt say you were rude at all,far from it.i just wanted everyone to know only rudeness and personal remarks were banned.i should maybe have made that more clear,my bad

Vermonsavant just sent this outright lie to me by pm:

I knew he was unfit to be a mod or any kind of "liaison member" because he is just too far out of his depth intellectually, and happy to let anyone who flatters him and plays up to him use him as a weapon.

It would makes more sense to reinstate ci and make him "liaison member".

After watching me persistently stalked and harassed by Gedrene, derailing thread after thread in pursuit of his obsession, this unwarranted attack on me is absolutely disgusting.

I will never post here again unless there is a public apology from vermontsavant, appropriate censure of Gedrene's vicious obsession with attacking me, and the whole travesty of letting vermontsavant think of himself as some kind of moderator comes to an end, because he is instrumental in stirring more trouble than he prevents.

He started a vicious mess over on AFF. They are still burning me alive over there. I'm making wrongplanet my new home.

They really turned sick over there.

You guys don't allow the same kind of bullying over here. I see that and I am incredibly pleased.

And Alex is really cool.

He's a movie nerd too.

Thanks for sticking up for me guys. That alan guy started things all over again on Aff.

So anyway... the benefits of respectability and moderation in autism advocacy politics...

As you were gentlemen...