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24 Sep 2011, 10:45 am

Mechanima and Zeraeph are one and the same. Different usernames - same individual.



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24 Sep 2011, 10:56 am

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Mechanima and Zeraeph are one and the same. Different usernames - same individual.

Cool. No wonder I agree with Mechanima so much.

May I ask how you know this?

Also, I heard that you are leaving AFF. Is this true?


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24 Sep 2011, 10:58 am

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FOR THE LAST TIME!! !! STOP BAD MOUTHING TAMBOURINE MAN

I'm honestly confused about what you mean about 'bad mouthing'.

I said I wasn't going to post any more about him. You said that wasn't what you meant - that I could post about him as long as it wasn't 'bad mouthing'.

Gedrene ask for links about what was happening on AFF.

I provided some of those links, with a minimum of editorial comment.

I did not, in any way, 'bad mouth' Tambourine-Man.

I'm afraid I must ask you to be very explicit about what will and will not be tolerated.
i would PM you if i thought you crossed a line.TO ALL lets keep talk of T man to his political views only.the tread seemed to be getting more personal and after T man complained i thought would just make sure the post stayed political just to keep what happened yesterday from re occuring.i did not scold anyone in particular


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24 Sep 2011, 11:00 am

Well, Mechanima is quite a bit more brutal than Z. Nice to see you Marcia. Is it true that you aren't going back to AFF? And this use accused ME of playing AFF and wrongplanet!

Make no mistake guys, I'm an opportunist first and a bleeding heart second. Anyone who wishes to have an impact must have their priorities in this order. Study history.

I like Kevout's Martin Luther King vs. Malcom X analogy.


Once again, I would advise anyone interested to thoroughly review my long history of withstanding the personal attacks that were allowed to continue on AFF. I slipped up once and the member and I exchanged appologies.

I'm not going back there so I don't know what they have to worry about. I suppose I will see reports of what goes on over here.

I will, indeed, be writing for wrongplanet now, where such personal attacks are not allowed.



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24 Sep 2011, 11:12 am

Alan, don't you have something better to do? You have devoted two entire days of your life to attempting to make me look bad.

Don't you have any friends? Family? Do you ever see the light of day?

Please stop making me nervous to leave my computer. I feel like people are trashing me whenever my back is turned.

That zeraeph and mechanima person has devoted massive amounts of time and energy to finding any possible way of corrupting my name.

It is really a



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24 Sep 2011, 11:13 am

It is really all pretty pathetic.



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24 Sep 2011, 11:35 am

If anyone is intersted, I was banned over at AFF.

Hmm, how might this make them look?

I think they are to autism politics, what Sarah Palin is to the republican party.

I'm excited to write here.

A message of moderation and civility in the face of objectionable ethics will be tolerated here.

I'm now going to work on my first article, and stay the heck out of this conversation. ;)


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24 Sep 2011, 11:40 am

Gedrene wrote:
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if you reduced your temperature to - 273 degrees, then you could be "SUPERCONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH AUTISM SPEAKS".
sorry (i suppose).

Lawl, thanks for relieving the tension a bit.


how condescending of you. what does "lawl" mean?

How is thanks for relieving the tension condescending? Unless you were thinking that I was being sarcastic, which I wasn't. I was saying thanks.
Also lawl is just another way of saying lol, short for laugh out loud


yes whatever. i was wrong.
i forgot that i was joking.



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24 Sep 2011, 11:48 am

And now they lifted the ban. What is going on?



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24 Sep 2011, 12:08 pm

Ha ha.

No more drama guys. At this point it is all becoming hilarious and I'm having trouble not contributing to the games.


THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME TO WRONGPLANET!

Hopefully my presence here will not create so much excitement.

I am thoroughly surprised and relieved to see the friendliness and civility here.

I chose to get active on AFF because I wanted to influence a group with a good message, who were, unfortunately communicating it very ineffectively.

Unfortunately, I was unable to do anything but emphasize how poorly this message was being communicated.

Oh, well, score one for Autism Speaks.

This outcome was never my intention but I suppose it was inevitable.

Civility and polite, but challenging engagement will always win out.

Once again, thanks for the warm welcome. I will now breath easy.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:16 pm

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Yesterday morning, I created a thread on AFF entitled "tambourine-man's thoughts on AFF" in the General forum in which I posted the Tambourine-Man's post of yesterday morning in this thread in which he roundly mocked and condemned AFF. I added no editorial comment.

Where is this comment? If I don't know where it is I can't prove it.

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I added two more posts over the course of the day in response to questions as to why I copied the text of the post rather than linking to it. Again, no editorial comment.

Where are these?

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His comments were not very well received.

Just because something isn't well received doesn't mean they were bad.

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He and his sister posted many times, doing their cause no good whatsoever.

Posting many times doesn't necessarily mean that someone's 'cause' is damaged.

I woke up to some interesting developments.

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Post number 5, by Mechanima, is a scathingly accurate description of the situation and of Tambourine-Man.

It is expresses perfectly how I and several others, including Zeraeph, feel about John-Scott Holman, aka Tambourine-Man .

I will only quote one portion of the post, adding emphasis to some interesting news:

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He has also shown considerable skill in playing off AFF and Wrongplanet forums against each other to his advantage. At this present time it would seem he has left AFF and been given columnist status on Wrongplanet, which seems to me a far more equitable arrangement that having him as "covergirl" on AFF.

This is absolutely absurd when we look at the fact that people are only defending Tambourine_man because militants are calling him a liar, manipulative and offensive only for the heinous crime of saying 'maybe we should approach autism speaks'. This defence of him has nothing to do with the fact that he has been on two sites. If people thought he actually did deserve anything that was said to him then they wouldn't be defending him, I wouldn't be defending him.

As anyone can see from Cornflake's long text post any attempt to characterize what Tambourine_man did in the slightest as malign or manipulative is wrong.

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http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266&page=1

I urge you to get to know our new columnist a bit better. Read the post, read the thread, and think a good while.

You know what's weird... that none of the links you provide seem to be able to be seen unless you are logged in to Aspies For Freedom...



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24 Sep 2011, 12:17 pm

b9 wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
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if you reduced your temperature to - 273 degrees, then you could be "SUPERCONDUCTING AN INTERVIEW WITH AUTISM SPEAKS".
sorry (i suppose).

Lawl, thanks for relieving the tension a bit.


how condescending of you. what does "lawl" mean?

How is thanks for relieving the tension condescending? Unless you were thinking that I was being sarcastic, which I wasn't. I was saying thanks.
Also lawl is just another way of saying lol, short for laugh out loud


yes whatever. i was wrong.
i forgot that i was joking.

Calling someone condescending isn't a joke. :/



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24 Sep 2011, 12:20 pm

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And now they lifted the ban. What is going on?



Pikajedi3 made a mistake and though you deleted cynara's post. He apologized. Though you did delete a post of your own after being told not to and Amy is giving you a 7 day temp ban for it, which is fair.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:37 pm

AlanTuring wrote:
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FOR THE LAST TIME!! !! STOP BAD MOUTHING TAMBOURINE MAN

I'm honestly confused about what you mean about 'bad mouthing'.

Well you shouldn't. You did just bad mouth him, vermontsavant has got that right.

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I said I wasn't going to post any more about him. You said that wasn't what you meant - that I could post about him as long as it wasn't 'bad mouthing'.

What twisted webs we weave. That's because he originally told you not to make any posts here:
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please do not respond to this post any longer.if needed a real moderator can physicaly lock it

This has nothing to do with Tambourine_man, this has to do with the thread. So there was no talk about Tambourine_man in what he said.
During this time you then condemned me, saying that I was personally attacking you after I had been saying that you should prove what you say.
Later he said to do no personal attacks on another thread and he then repeated that on here. This is because you had made personal attacks on him and I have even seen it on his thread on AFF where you basically told him off like a parent talking to a toddler for the heinous crime of him asking people to talk with the enemy and help improve things for all involved.

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Gedrene ask for links about what was happening on AFF.

I did, but this is ironic given what you said not long after I asked you to do that on page 18 of this thread:
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I have no intention of replying to your demands or attacks unless whimsy moves me to do so.

So again you don't really have your heart in it, proving what you said. Proving what you say is a secondary consideration. Not that you did a good job of proving yourself. Like before any actual 'proof' of Tambourine_man doing anything wrong was actually just reporting what he did. You didn't actually provide any links. On the other hand you did provide links when people were giving their opinions on him, which by the way isn't proof against Tambourine_man. It's an ad hominem argument.

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I provided some of those links, with a minimum of editorial comment.

Actually by minimum of editorial comment one is supposed to mean with few words beside the links. If anything there were few links beside the words. You can see for yourself in the post above this.

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I did not, in any way, 'bad mouth' Tambourine-Man.

A lie. Anyone can look through this thread and easily call you out on this one.

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I'm afraid I must ask you to be very explicit about what will and will not be tolerated.

You don't need to play to some sort of game of innocence AlanTuring. Everyone besides Zeraeph has been telling you for ages what is right and wrong and since vermontsavant hasn't at all referred to them or found any problem with them it's clear that their words follow closely enough what he has said.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:37 pm

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Calling someone condescending isn't a joke. :/


i did not say that your condescension was a joke. i know it was very real. what i said in my post is that i thought you were being condescending in error to an earlier post i posted.

i do not want to argue with you because i do not think you are worth arguing with.
i do not want a reply please.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:39 pm

b9 wrote:
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Calling someone condescending isn't a joke. :/


i did not say that your condescension was a joke. i know it was very real. what i said in my post is that i thought you were being condescending in error to an earlier post i posted.

i do not want to argue with you because i do not think you are worth arguing with.
i do not want a reply please.

I understand. I don't want an argument. I just want clarification so we are on the same level. Nothing wrong with that.